... mainly because of two reasons: one, it's missing a lot of necessary markup, primarily the page type template and a lot of basic bullet points, and two, other than the title character you've troped out, it's just a list with no real information. A page in this state is probably better hosted in your own sandbox until it's in near-final shape. If you wrote it directly into the edit box and need a copy to continue development on it, let us know and we can retrieve it for you.
This is the second time that we've rejected a page that you submitted for this reason. All The Tropes:How We Do Bans Around Here lists "Refusing to learn from honest mistakes, or repeatedly making the same honest mistake after it's been pointed out" as grounds for a tempban, so please do not submit a third new page in the same condition. Please reply in this thread so that all of the admins know that you have seen this.
... mainly because of two reasons: one, it's missing a lot of necessary markup, primarily the page type template and a lot of basic bullet points, and two, other than the one evil god you've troped out, it's just a list with no real information. A page in this state is probably better hosted in your own sandbox until it's in near-final shape. If you wrote it directly into the edit box and need a copy to continue development on it, let us know and we can retrieve it for you.
Good morning. You uploaded this image a week ago with the Fair Use license, but it is not yet used on any page. We can only host a file under Fair Use if we actually use it. This is just a warning that if you don't put it on a page somewhere in the next 24 hours, we will have to delete it to protect the wiki from legal liability.
It is now 24 hours later. The file has been deleted. If at some point you want to actually put it on a page, please let us know; we can undelete it, saving you the trouble of uploading it again.
Just a note -- we have legal requirements that must be met when images are uploaded to the wiki. The image you just uploaded, Akagi.png, needs a few things, most specifically the license under which we may use it. Please see our page All The Tropes:Uploading and Adding an Image to a Page for the specifics. If you can't provide at the very least the license, we're going to have to delete the image to product the wiki from legal liability.
What if I edit it? I've got a design background along with visual are and the entire Adobe creative Suite. I don't mean just changing some colors but changing composition background and presentation while the image of Akagi is the same.
I'm more familiar with the requirements for text as I'm a published author and that's my stock in trade; I know less about what constitutes sufficient change to qualify as a derivative work. I think that might do. But it sounds like a whole lot of unnecessary work to go through just to avoid putting "{{fairuse}}" and a couple URLs on the page. And even if you do go that route, we're still going to want to know where off the wiki the altered image is stored so we can recover it in case of another catastrophic event like the orain hack.
Well, i can do that. Where should I put them? under the picture and file line? It said something about the picture information page. Is that a separate page for just the picture?
If you click the "edit" link at the top of the image's page as though it were an article, you will be given an edit box where you can type in everything you need to; when you save it, it will be displayed on the same page as the image.
EDIT: But I see Robkelk has already done it for you.
For the Akagi image, here's a link to the terms of use page for the source site. i got the image from them and it wasn't an image I uploaded their. If there is anything hinky, it's on them.
The Akagi image is okay. I was referring to File:2392383-luther strode tpb cover color by tradd d4mjjpf.jpg and File:Washizu.jpg. Both were lacking licensing information and, less importantly, categorization. Let me make this clear if you haven't actually read "Uploading and Adding an Image to a page". On that page, under "LIcensing", it says, very specifically:
repeatedly uploading files without choosing Licensing for them will get you tempbanned.
The grounds for such a tempban are laid out in our policy page All The Tropes:How We Do Bans Around Here, which I should have directed you to earlier, as it outlines what you can't be banned for, and the steps we have to take in order to impose a ban.
Following those guidelines, I am required to tell you now that this is a formal warning. Continuing to upload files without providing the required licensing information will result in a tempban. You were instructed on what to do after the first file you uploaded. You have since uploaded two more files without the required licensing information. Strictly speaking, by "How We Do Bans Around Here", this is already grounds for a tempban. Under "Grounds for a warning on the first occurrence and a tempban on a repeated occurrence", the subpoint
Refusing to learn from honest mistakes, or repeatedly making the same honest mistake after it's been pointed out.
qualifies you for a ban now. But I'm choosing not to impose that ban at this time. If, however, you upload another file without the mandatory licensing information, you will receive a two-week tempban.
Please acknowledge in words in this thread that you understand what is being requested of you and that you intend to comply.
Did you check the link because the Washizu picture came from the link above. I also provided the link from the rules page o the site it is from. i honestly don't know what else you need from me. I read the rules and the license thing was stated to be optional because of how difficult it is to find. So I gave the link to the usage rules of the site I got the washizu image from. Best most people can do for a lot of images is give the link where they found them. I couldn't find any license thing for the Washizu image so i provided the link to the page with licenses and usage for anime-planet.
Finally (and most importantly, according to our lawyers), the licensing/copyright information for the site where you got the image. This one is "optional" (sort of; you're going to need the licensing information later), not because we're willing to take the fall for you if legal issues raise their hoary heads, but because some sites make it all but impossible to actually find this information. If you can't find it, don't sweat it. But please make the effort. If you're copying the image from Wikipedia, Wikimedia, or DeviantArt, the license information is usually right on the image page, and you can easily copy it.
So the best I could do is give you the link to the page with the usage rules of the other site. I took the image from their sight. In their rules anyone uploading must have already been verified. If there was anything wrong with the image, legally, it would be on Anime planet where I originally got it from.
Pointing to the site is not enough. Our guidelines very clearly point out that you must select one of the licensing options on the upload page. Waving vaguely toward the web and saying "go look at the place I got it" is not selecting a license. Our guidelines also state that if you cannot find an explicit license, "fair use" is always safe. If you cannot be bothered to take the minimal effort required to tag your future uploads with "fair use", we will delete the images to protect the wiki from legal liability, and you will be tempbanned -- starting with two weeks and with increasing duration for each subsequent incident.
This is not negotiable, and trying to play Rules Lawyer will not somehow magically grant you special privileges extended to no other user. You will comply with wiki rules on this front, or you won't be allowed the opportunity to comply with any wiki rules going forward.
I support @Looney Toons here. This is not a guideline that we think is a good idea to follow, or a policy that we really want people to follow - this is required by law in order for us to keep our "reference work" status, and we must follow it.
I have made a video on how to choose a license. I have also added a recorded response. Please watch both. I would appreciate it. Feel free to download the video on how to select a license to use as a how to.
We don't care if you've made a ninety-minute award-winning documentary distributed on all major streaming services. This is not what we asked of you. We asked you to simply confirm that you understand and will follow wiki rules when it comes to adhering to the requirements imposed on us by law. Continued refusal to acknowledge the actual request and answer it will be considered an explicit refusal to adhere to to those requirements, and evidence of your intent to be a deliberate disruptive element on the wiki. We are being very patient with you, but the wiki moderation staff will not tolerate you playing games for much longer.
If you haven't watched the video than what you just said makes no sense. I am now going to assume you haven't. I explained in the video that I will abide by the rules. I have also explained that up until the message I sent the links in, I literally did not understand what you were asking me. The video explains that I understand and will abide by the rules.
Clearly you didn't watch it and have now made an ass of yourself. The video was meant to make sure that, through the tone of my voice, i was being dead serious and not playing games. You have also supported the assertion I made in the video that it feels to me you are on a hair trigger and either have a habit of constantly assuming bad faith with others or you are a person given to pride and ego. I am trying to be reasonable here. If you had listened to the video, message to mods, you would know that. I am almost 100% sure you didn't and my view of you as someone under stress and quick to jump the gun has lowered to someone who feels put on having to deal with a job they ultimately chose to have, callous with no care for others and only makes nice when they are provably called on by others and confronted with their bad behavior.
My question is, why are we exchanging videos on license choosing when the guidelines are very clearly stated right on the page where files are uploaded, pointing to a simple drop-down menu where you can pick what applies? Just because other sites aren't as diligent about copyright doesn't mean we have carte blanche to do the same - a look at the administrivia and other About pages indicate that ATT takes copyright fairly seriously, especially in comparison.
I get being defensive at the impression of being accused of wrong-doing, and the admins have jumped the gun in at least one previous case, but I don't think they're really asking very much of you in this scenario.
We have seen many, many people who thought that this wiki's rules did not apply to them. Some of these people have made the effort to understand why our rules exist and why they are worded the way that they are. Others have not, and have gone through tempbans and in some cases permanent bans.
It is up to you to show, by your actions, which group you are going to be in.
That said...
Clearly you didn't watch it and have now made an ass of yourself.
You are free to disagree with the moderators. You are not free to insult anyone who edits pages here, including but not limited to a moderator - doing so shows that you are (to use your own words) "callous with no care for others".
I must now ask you to read all four of the pages that make up The Troper's Code, and then reply here, in text, telling us that you have done so.
OK. My video was a serious response and plea to each and everyone of you. It was sincere and a clarification of what happened. I have not once said not expected to be exempt from the rules. The video was to convey my sincerity and desire to inform you that.
1) I had no freaking clue what anyone meant by the licensing.
2) Looneytoons is often combative and hostile at the drop of a hat.
3) I had found out how to use the licensing feature and will use it in the future.
You have all made assumptions about the video without watching. I am more than a little irratated that my well meaning and sincere attempt to reach out wasn't even regarded. I have read everything. My only wish is to support this site and work in good faith.....
None of you seemed to get that!!!!!!!!!!!!
The video was a message in my own voice trying to reach you and to tell you that I understand......And you have all spat in my face!!!!!!
YOU SPAT IN MY FACE!!!!!
I am not only angry now. I am disgusted with your attitudes and behavior. I don't know how old any of you are. I don't know what you have been through. I on the other hand can take a lot. Have taken a lot. In a country not my own, with no support, no friends, no help and very little money, I managed to find a job in a month after being screwed by the company hiring me the day before I am meant to move. I am haunted by the fact that I may have walked by my grandfather dying on the bathroom floor when i visited his house and he had a stroke. I looked everywhere and left without checking the bathroom. My sister wrecked my car when she was 13! I. Have. Seen. And. Been. Through. A. Lot. But now, what I find trouble tolerating, is intolerance. I find that I have a short line for callousness and impatience.
Watch the video. I dare you. I DARE YOU, YOU COWARDS.
I had the guts to use my own voice. To take the time and effort to communicate calmly because I thought you were all worth that much.
If you don't watch the video, clearly you are not worth much of anything.
See, now you're just being needlessly (not to mention disproportionately) hostile. My point is that a video response was not at all necessary - just a simple typed statement of "Hey, I was not sure what you guys meant by licensing, but I realize it now and I will be sure to make use of it in the future." For my part, I didn't say anything in any direction about the contents of the video itself - i.e. yes, I did not watch it, because as indicated I was not convinced it was wholly necessary to begin with, and I am inclined to think the same of this life story you so unceremoniously dropped in our laps.
What seemed to be a simple misunderstanding at the beginning is now very much turning into a "my way or the highway" scenario, and you do not want to go that route here. We're all using our own voices to communicate as calmly and civilly as we can, and frankly - speaking as civilly as I can - it's rather sanctimonious of you to assume otherwise on the basis of whether or not one watches a single video, much less predicate your impression of our """worth""" on it.
If you are intent on maintaining this holier-than-thou attitude over a simple matter of template application, that is your right - as it is my right, for example, to completely disregard any impulse to try and help you out in the future, and as it is the wiki bureaucrats' right to decide that this may be crossing a significant line and responding accordingly.
If you made something a gesture of good faith and well meaning. And it was disregarded. Something you did out of respect. something you thought would try to make things clear. and then were told "we aren't watching it. You are being hostile"....tell me...honestly....how..would..you..feel?
If it was me in this situation (and I have been in somewhat similar situations, due to not knowing my way around copyright too well), I would simply have taken my time with the response - and, if necessary, asked for further clarification - and/or signaled my understanding of what I was being told in a prompt and timely manner as I can manage. In fact, if I was uncertain of how to handle a given image or work's copyright when uploading, I would actually ask a relevant admin ahead of time - as you can see in one such instance here. If I felt the need to make an entire video's worth of a response, it would not be for something as simple as a casual inquiry.
I'm sorry for whatever it is that happened to you and made you this way, as I am sure you did not "deserve" it, but to put it quite bluntly, I am built different - and in a way that means I do not take kindly to abuses of goodwill, be it mine or someone else's. And in the process of this, you've managed to do both.
@SmileyB, respect is a two-way street. And you have consistently disrespected everyone else taking part in this thread by refusing to follow the rules that have been pointed out to you, to the point where one of the other moderators asked that I step in.
I asked you to read the Troper's Code.
Instead of doing that, you chose to reply with invective, name-calling, and insults.
As per Article 5 of this wiki's Terms of Service, you are now temporarily banned from editing this wiki for two weeks, including editing this page. You are free to appeal this decision to any other moderator.
SmileyB... you're being fairly childish. Is this really the hill you want to die on? This is a really low bar the admins are asking for here, asking you to read some pages and acknowledge that you will follow the policy.
> My sister wrecked my car when she was 13!
Cool story bro. This is kind of the equivalent getting a ticket to fix a broken tail light, then going to the judge and telling a sob story about how they're refusing to let you drive your car and the police wouldn't even look at your car mechanics videos on youtube. But seriously, have you fixed that tail light? You're still not getting a license for that car without a tail light being certified fixed by an official.
First of all, thanks for showing me that splitting up pages into subpages can be done! That's a load off my mind.
Second, I want to ask if you've had some blunders making the subpages, since you have instances where there are two character folders for one character in different locations. Were you going to work on that?
I know you were having trouble creating subpages in their proper location. Here's a quick primer.
There are three ways of creating a subpage. Let's say you want to create a subpage to Star Wars/Characters for an obscure fellow by the name of Freddy the Jedi. Here's how you could go about it.
Number one:
The simplest is to go to Star Wars/Characters and then add a slash and the name of the new page to the URL in your browser's address bar:
You don't need to do anything fancy like add underlines in place of spaces or turn extended characters into special codes -- just type a slash and the name, then hit enter.
Number two:
Every work page has a line of buttons across the top, and one of them is "Create New". Click that button, then go to the very bottom of the menu that opens, where there is a prompt for you to type in a custom page name. That prompt holds just the work page's name, so to create your subpage for Star Wars/Characters you'll have to type in "/Characters/Freddy the Jedi" as has been done in the picture to the right, and click the "Go" button.
Number three:
The third way to create a subpage is to go to the Page Creator (which can be found in the menu along the left edge of the page under "Troping Utilities", or you can click the link I just embedded here). On that page are four text boxes with buttons next to them. Go the first one (the one with the button reading "Create new page"), and enter the full name of the page name you want to create there:
Then click the button.
In all three cases this will open the page editor with the boilerplate dropdown. You probably know this part already, since you've been creating pages, but here you pick the page type from that dropdown -- in this case, it would be a Characters page, the boilerplate for which is about three-quarters of the way down the list.
I hope that helps. I'm still not sure what you meant by "link bars" which caused you problems, but it really isn't very hard to put a subpage in the proper place.
If you have any questions, either answer here or drop a note on my talk page.
You're welcome. I did give one bad piece of information in there -- the first method doesn't open up the page editor. Instead you'll get a page that says "There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, search the related logs, or create this page." The phrase "create this page" is a link to the page editor; click that to open it up.
I see that you have created two characters subpages for My Hero Academia, but you didn't include the boilerplates in these pages - or, if you did, you deleted essential sections of the boilerplates.
I'll add the boilerplates for you. This will take a while - it would have been much easier if they were included to begin with.
In the future, please follow the steps that @Looney Toons provided above., so that we don't need to go in and do by hand what should be an automated process.
If the boilerplate is there, it will be very obvious, both before you save and after. If before you add anything, there's nothing in the editor, you've forgotten the boilerplate. If after you save you're missing the buttons across the top of the page, the box of categories at the bottom, or both, you've forgotten the boilerplate.
Whenever you create a subpage, you need to select the boilerplate manually before you start adding new material. I mentioned that above, and I will quote what I said there:
In all three cases this will open the page editor with the boilerplate dropdown. You probably know this part already, since you've been creating pages, but here you pick the page type from that dropdown
The boilerplate dropdown isn't hard to find. It's inside a box with the title "Select boilerplate" at the top of the page, above the edit box proper; there's a big "Load" button next to it. You can see a picture of it on All The Tropes:Page Templates. Any time you're creating a page, that's there -- even if there's a prepopulated boilerplate.
One sure sign that a boilerplate has been loaded is that the edit box has some categories entered into it. If you have an empty edit box, then you've found one of the ways to create a page that doesn't automatically load a boilerplate (there are more of those on the wiki than I like!) and you'll need to load a boilerplate from the menu at the top of the create-page page.
Don't create a page unless you actually have content to put in it. We do not do zero-content placeholders. The Mandalorian -- all two freaking words of it -- has been deleted.
I put more than two words in it. i put in a synopsis too. Please be a little more respectful. People come her and update this voluntarily. As this place also relies on donations its important to maintain a respectful discourse. Just because it's easier to say things anonymously than you would in real life doesn't mean you throw away manners and tact.
If it's so easy to use such a tone when you don't face any real consequences then it's an indication of the type of person you actually are and any manners you use in public are simply a facade you put on as you are wary of actual consequences.
I am not impressed by people who are rude, abrasive or flippant online as most of them don't have the fortitude to act that way in public and if you don't have the resolve to be that way in public don't act that way online.
On more than a few occasions i have been angry and lashed out but i guarantee i would have done the same in public because i had real reason to be angry. Like here, work that i put hours into writing was wiped away because someone thought would just be easier to do that than to edit it a little. Granted we do our own editing but still. It's a volunteer's hard work and effort done out of passion and it would be foolish to think they would not lash out. This time i only added a short synopsis but your response was unnecessary and rude.
You're response should have been: "I apologize but you haven't written enough to warrant a page entry. Please add more and check guideline and examples. If you need further assistance, please contact me."
Manners cost nothing and i am not impressed by fake tough guys/gals.
This is the entire contents of the page you created. There is nothing here approaching what you claim to have added. If you had actually added any content at all, the page would not have been deleted, and you would in fact have been thanked profusely, since we need that page.
If you're going to bluster in the face of a wiki admin, at least choose a story that can't be disproved with three mouse clicks.
This was deemed sufficiently important that I was pinged on it - pulling me away from moderating a very contentious exchange and tracking down our legal standing as to whether we can use tens of thousands of images on this wiki.
I apologize for my fellow moderator's use of the word "freaking".
As for the rest of your post...
The only text on the page when it was deleted was "Category:Star Wars". Perhaps you didn't save the synopsis, or perhaps it was "eaten" by the Moderation software. Did you save the synopsis at the same time that you saved the category, or did you make multiple edits? If the latter, then only the final edit would have been presented to the mod team by the Moderation software.
@Looney Toons is hardly anonymous - there is more content on his User page than there is on mine, and there is more content on my admittedly-sparse User page than there is on the majority of tropers' User pages.
Mod team members do face consequences for poor actions.
The mods are volunteers, too.
We do not have time to hold your hand - we do you the compliment of assuming you have the skills to be able to do your own research, and that you have already found All The Tropes:Works Page Guidelines and All The Tropes:The Troper's Code on your own. (Both of these pages are linked directly from the "About All The Tropes" page linked at the bottom of every page on this wiki, after all.)
I take no issues with your rules I am saying that it's important to stay civil. And by anonymous, i mean you aren't looking in the eyes of the person your talking to. I guarantee that any one's response with a decent understanding of manners and tact would not respond that way to someone face to face. I doubt that would have been my first response. It's easy to be disgruntled and sarcastic when you aren't looking someone in the face. That is what I am not impressed with. I couldn't care less about the entry. If I have to work it more than so be it. We all have it hard. We all are under pressure. Civility helps.
Some would say "It's immature to get bothered by people being rude". I would say "It's immature to not have the restraint to stay polite regardless of your stress". I walked off a guy hitting me with a car. My grandmother was one of only 4 people in our state that got a nerve destroying illness that caused her dementia. To this day, I don't know whether or not my grandfather was on the bathroom floor when he got a stroke at the same time i happened to visit his house and leave because no one was there. My sister was 13 when she wrecked my car. Don't act like I'm being sensitive. If I used the crap I've going through in life as an excuse to be snitty, my previous message would have been full of expletives.
So sorry you had a tough time being mods. i just found out my great aunt has lung cancer. Things are tough. We all get shit on. It's all the more reason to be polite and civil. I will be more than happy to be nice and respectful but respect starts with respect. Next time, simply tell me what's wrong and what I need to fix. I don't need looneytoons sarcasm or two-cents.
I understand you are doing a thankless job. You probably get lots of crap because we all do this volunteer, we all take it personally. I understand you are probably doing the best you can. I know you don't have to do this. you don't have to listen to people bitch at you. I get that. But you also have a responsibility. You took this job. It's a hard job but you chose to do this. You understand what that means.
I get disgusted at police officers because most of them only treat it as a job. They are peace keepers and don't even understand the honor in that. The duty they have. To be a peace keeper should have meaning. Like being a knight. To serve and protect. There is supposed to be real meaning to those words.
As mods you took this job. You have taken a duty upon yourselves. you are managing thousands of people. That is an awesome task. You have the work of thousands of people to go over but to look at it another way, you have the work of thousands of people in your hands. Think about that. Really think about it. It's a heavy responsibility.
I am sure that in normal life you are all decent enough. I'd like to think that there are mostly decent people out there. You have to hold it together better than this. I only made a small article. My thing wasn't big at all and the first response back was a message with sarcasm in it. I don't know who pissed off looneytoons before me but it's clear that looneytoons carried it over to me. I've only just started here on this site so there is no way I would have give anyone any reason to be even annoyed with me. All i know is that I was trying to make a page and someone deleted it with a sarcastic remark.
I am more than happy to be civil and help or work with the mods but I will not be the target of someone's bad day. Especially when I empirically had nothing to do with it. I'll let this go but in the future, lets just try to keep it neutral at the least.
