User talk:Roryokane

... because once again it was a word-for-word copy of material from TV Tropes, but you did not indicate it was your own text. Because of the events of April 2022 below, I looked at the edit history of the TVT page and saw that it was your most recent edit there. However, 16 months is a long time and your edit was (briefly) rejected until I came here and saw the thread below. If I hadn't bothered to scroll down further to see how many infringements you had so as to determine the need for a tempban, I would not have even noticed yours was one of the few justified cases of copying from TVT.

In the future, please explicitly note that you are copying your own text from TVT, or are making the same edit simultaneously on both sites. This saves the Mod team a whole lot of trouble, and you from getting accidental strikes against you.

-- Looney Toons, admin

@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

I’ll try to remember to visit my user talk page and reread it before making edits in the future. (That should be easier to remember than the idea of writing an own-work claim in the edit summary.)

For what it’s worth, I had vaguely remembered that prior edit’s initial rejection when I submitted that edit to All the Tropes, which is why I waited about 3 hours before I submitted the same edit to TV Tropes. I had hoped the delay would either allow my ATT edit to be approved before it was on TVT or make the edit timestamps more clearly show that the ATT edit was the original. I guess waiting is not a reliable strategy – only writing a note in the edit summary is.

That probably would have been useful if we actually looked at the timestamps, but they're not usually consulted when determining copyright infringement. And honestly? It wasn't relevant here -- the fact that you use the same username on both wikis is what confirmed things for me.

And it's probably irrelevant on a greater scale, as you're about to be promoted to autopatrolled (and thus exempt from Moderation) in just a few minutes. The mod staff discussed and approved this in an off-wiki forum last week, in part because you should have been grandfathered in three and a half years ago. (We apologize for the delay; if it's any consolation, you're not the only infrequent contributor that we missed when we turned on Moderation.) With this promotion comes a general exemption from copyright checks, since respecting copyright is one of the things we confirm in users who are nominated for the new privilege level.

So in (very small) advance of me actually assigning you membership in the autopatrolled group, congratulations, and you don't have to worry any more about this kind of thing.

@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

... because it is a word-for-word copy of material from TV Tropes' "Remix Comic" page. This is copyright infringement and illegal. Because All The Tropes and TV Tropes run under different Creative Commons licenses, content created there after 2012 cannot legally be used here without the express written approval of all the editors who contributed to it. You are free to rewrite the entry in your own words and resubmit it, but as it stands now it would expose All The Tropes to legal liability.

As you've been an editor here since at least 2019, we would expect that you would know this already. However, it's clear that you don't. Therefore, we strongly recommend that you read our Copyrights page for more information on what is permitted and what is not.

We also strongly recommend that you read How We Do Bans Around Here. This isn't a threat -- this is the wiki policy strictly controlling how and when user bans can be applied by an Admin. We want you to be aware that unlike TVT, we do not ban users on whims or because we're cranky -- and that you know what we do ban people for, and what it takes, so you can avoid future problems. Please be aware that as an editor with a several years' history with the wiki, an instance of copyright violation basically earns you "one strike", per the guidelines on that page -- and that a second instance will result in an immediate temp ban.

Please reply in this thread to let us know that you've seen this notice and warning.

Thank you.

-- Looney Toons, admin

@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

This is a false positive. My edit was not copyright infringement – I personally authored the text I added.

As the history of TV Tropes “Remix Comic” shows, I added that text to TV Tropes via my TV Tropes account roryokane five minutes before I submitted the same text to All The Tropes. (More specifically, as that history page shows, I improved the text’s wording slightly when I submitted it to All The Tropes, then went back to TV Tropes and made its wording match.)

In the future, how can I avoid automated warnings that detect my own writing on TV Tropes? I found this on the Copyrights page:

When you do so, note in the edit summary that this is your own writing, so we don't just assume that you blindly copied content. Lines like "my own writing" or "copied edits by me from TVT" are sufficient.

I will try to remember that in the future, but in case I forget to do that for some future edit, is there a way to link my All The Tropes user account “Roryokane” to my TV Tropes user account “roryokane” for the purposes of detecting copied content? If not, would I avoid the false positive if I submitted new writing to All The Tropes one minute before submitting it to TV Tropes, or is the copied content detection system insensitive to the timestamps of the edits?

Also, do I need to resubmit the rejected edit to Remix Comic or can you retroactively approve the edit?

@Looney Toons Looked it up, his story checks out.

I have approved the edit in question. Let me know if there are future issues. And please forgive our caution, but we err on the side of caution on copyright.

Thank you, Geth, and my apologies, @Roryokane.

Just so you know, the warnings aren't automated -- a live, human moderator goes and compares every edit in the moderation queue to the corresponding pages on TVT. (You would be surprised just how many first edits are someone deciding to copy over a chunk of TVT content they've decided we need.) We do not normally check the edit history at TVT, mainly because only one of us has an account there and if you're not registered they deliberately hide the article history after the most recent dozen or so edits. And to the best of my recollection you are only the second editor posting their contributions to both wikis in parallel.

As for somehow linking your ATT and TVT accounts, it's unlikely in the extreme. ATT and TVT run on different wiki engines, and even though the official policy from the post-Fast Eddie owners is cooperation, the vast majority of TVT staff would probably prefer that we all died in a fire. They have no reason to want to make our lives easier in any way. (And I'd be very cautious about admitting there that you are contributing to both wikis, just to be safe. As I said, official policy is cooperation, but you never know when you might get smacked with one of TVT's infamous arbitrary, no-explanation permanent bans.)