Dethroning Moment of Suck (Darth Wiki)/Web Original/Moviebob

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  • Every single time he uses the word original or originality when he, apparently, has no idea what it means. One of the examples he gives for something that's original is The Legend of Zelda... and yes, he is referring to the fact that The Legend of Zelda has been doing more or less the exact same thing for the last three decades. Hell, he even even outright says that that's more original than 'doing something different'. Oh, you mean the exact fucking definition of originality?!
  • The Metroid: Other M video is one. Essentially, it's him making shitty arguments defending the storyline, and is mostly screaming at other people for hating the game in the first place. He absolutely refuses to acknowledge any single fault Other M has, calling it near-perfect, and trying to scream over the heads off the people who have constructive criticism for it, turning critics of the game into a straw fanboy. The stupidest point, is where he calls Other M better than Metroid Prime is because it isn't a FPS, which he goes on to say is everything wrong with gaming today. This is a fairly accurate breakdown of Bob's asshattery.
  • His "Combat Evolved" commentary on Halo attacks the series for being racist. However, his steadfast refusal to do the research meant that practically everything in the video was outright wrong or misplaced. Bob managed to misinterpret one of the textbook examples of Scary Dogmatic Aliens as "an ethnically diverse and more interesting force working to a common goal" despite one of their primary motivations in the game being genocide (and most of the races are enslaved). He even invoked Godwin's Law for a half second moment in a commercial, yet still couldn't be bothered to read up on the basic plots for Halo 2 and Halo 3. And what was his deep, dangerous, thought-provoking message? "Racism is bad, m'kay?"
    • Let it be known that I love both Mario and Metroid (even Other M, to an extent), but his rants on Halo (militaristic force of uniformed "facist" space supersoldiers takes on ethnically and racially diverse alliance of aliens) is just so unjustified. Nevermind that the Covenant encourages racism and uses it to separate the many races into castes, where many of the races (Hugarok/Engineers, Unggoy/Grunts, Lekgolo/Hunters,Yanme'e/Drones) being slaves. The only exceptions being the Jackals/Kig-Yar being mercenaries and the Jiralhanae/Brutes and the Sangheili/Elites being in the Warrior caste (which is as close as you get to being "middle-class" in the Covenant society) and the Prophets themselves (the San'shyuum) being the undisputed masters in the politics and religion arenas of the Covenant. He states how the game is racist for portraying the more diverse Covenant as the bad guys, but then again you can apply it to Mario and Metroid just as well: White Italian guy goes on and literally stomps on a force made up of diverse ethnicities and races to save a blonde-haired, blue-eyed white chick, or blond-haired, blue-eyed white chick commits genocide on a racially and ethnically diverse cast of different races and interesting life forms while collecting mac-guffins. What he forgot was that the Covenant (along with Bowser's forces and the Space Pirates) are evil. Diversity is not inherently good. Any organization can be diverse and employ a wide range of races and species to do its bidding, but they can choose to be good or evil, and in the case of Halo, Mario and Metroid, the more diverse organization opts to be evil. The Covenant want to commit genocide, the enemies in Metroid are pirates and terrorists, and Bowser's forces are protecting a kidnapper and his hold over his hostage (namely, Bowser himself and his imprisonment of Peach). I'd be damned sure he would say that about Metroid or Mario's enemies if someone attacks those series for being racist, but not on Halo despite the premise of all three franchises being the exact same thing when seen from his point of view. He forgets that another reason why Bungie put so many races as the enemy (and probably why Nintendo does the same to Mario and Metroid) is to give a variety to the enemy force and have the player think strategically for every encounter instead of having them all being Elites or Brutes and the player rinsing and repeating over and over again and using the same weapons all the time. Yet he takes such a low jab at a non-Nintendo series just to be a prick while refusing to see the game's context both gameplay-wise or story-wise, accusing it of racism despite the fact that the UNSC characters that Bungie put in have blacks and Latinos clearly being present in the UNSC, and even Covenant allies in Halo 2 and Halo 3. Which really makes MovieBob's accusations against Halo invalid as his favorite series (which also happens to be on my list of favorites) also have the same "problem" he says Halo has.
  • His review of Book of Eli. Anything he addresses that is in the film itself can be derived from the trailers and insists on focusing on the fact that it contains religious elements. His line saying that God allying with the Hero of the story kills all tension is especially grating considering the Hero almost always wins anyway especially in action films and in this film there are plenty of plot twists including Eli dies of a mortal wound inflicted by the villain. As opposed to actually having watched the film, it comes more off like he had to review this movie, but didn't want to see it, so he instead read up on what other people have said previously about it, then negatively attacked it with smug satisfaction.
  • A while back, he did a two part episode about the Sonic series. It was understandably and predictably somber, and while he spent a good half of it jerking off Nintendo (what a surprise), the real kicker for me was when he started giving recommendations on how to "fix" the series. Out of the two, the one he elaborated on being a reboot of the franchise wherein the suggested plot was a combination of two bad movies, the big moment was his suggestion that they make Robotnik a credible villain by having him kill all the side characters, sounding especially elated when suggesting killing off Cream the Rabbit. First off, when has alienating a series existing fans and going for a sudden grimdark approach ever been successful? And even if you don't like all the peripheral side characters, which even fans are having trouble defending at this point, it's really sickening to hear an earnest suggestion to kill a six year old girl. I'd go into a rant about that, but Linkara did it for me at about 6:43 of this review that sums up my feelings quite well.
    • A while back, people called out Bob for having a massive double standard of anything Nintendo (and Japan as a whole) makes. Like calling Halo crap for having a rather simple story (pretty cool guy kills aliens and isn't afraid of anything), but loves Mario game story (pretty cool guy saves princesses and isn't afraid of anything) as well as above (Other M is Japanese while Prime was made by Americans), so he ends up making a video about things he doesn't like about Nintendo, no just kidding, he spends half of it complaining about having to say bad things about something he like, and the rest coming out of minor talking problems only to end up the praise Nintendo. All it did was prove Bob is nothing more than a hypocritical hardcore gamer who at times makes a few good points.
  • His video on One More Day as part of The Big Picture. First, One More Day was three years ago; it's not exactly the hot new thing everyone's talking about. Most of the Internet are trying to move on from it. Second, he says absolutely nothing that we didn't already know, in an extremely egregious example of getting money for old rope. Since the title of the video was "The Devil and Mr Parker", I expected him to comment on the much-maligned musical Turn Off the Dark, or even the upcoming reboot which he never stops bitching about at every chance he gets. The entire running time of the video can be summarised as: "Here is a thing. It exists. Thank you, goodnight, God bless, can I have my money now?"
    • "Magneto Was Right" is him saying nerds identify with the X-Men because they're oppressed special people. The metaphor is problematic, as noted elsewhere, since the average X-Man has enough power to kill people easily. He then goes on to decry "anti-intellectualism" in the media, such as Jersey Shore and My Name Is Earl. Problem is, the former is arguably tongue in cheek, and the latter definitely is. People don't watch those shows because they look up to the characters, they watch them because they want to see the idiots making idiots of themselves. What are fools for, if not to laugh at? And there are plenty of nerds who are just nerds, not particularly smart. Given the other complaints here, I'm starting to think I was right in my assumption that MovieBob is either a jerk, a troll, or both.
  • It's only been recently that Bob's started hating on the 90s for some unknown reason, which has really been irritating me. But then it turned into the most ridiculous excuse to hate on an era in his review of SCRE4M, where basically he ends up admitting that the 90s sucked solely because it was the decade when the first Scream film came out and he felt butthurt that his "special power" of being able to talk about movie tropes in a conversational way was taken from him by this movie. Buddy, if that was your biggest gripe about the film, then why the hell do you frequent this site? Also, hell, let's just toss out all the other great films of that era (Pulp Fiction, Toy Story, etc), since they're probably just as tainted by this horrible time period.
  • The moment where The Game Overthinker became unpleasantly obnoxious in its storyline was Episode 52: Dark Days, in which Bob brought in some of the most stupid, poorly done plot this side of The Irate Gamer. Seriously, Sergeant Bunnyface?!
  • For me, it's his review of James Cameron's Avatar. The opening is him pretty much insulting anybody who noticed a very glaring flaw with the Movie, and after that it pretty much only gets worse from there, to the point where he sounds more like a fanboy douchebag than a Critic.
  • Episode 68 of the Game Overthinker, "Crass Effect", has done the impossible and actually topped "Heavens to Metroid" in terms of wrong headed douchbaggery. The episodes deal with the controversy surrounding the ending of Mass Effect 3. Bob does no research, even openly admitting he has no interest in playing the games himself, and yet feels qualified enough to offer his opinion on what, again he himself admits, he has no first hand knowledge of. He uses ridiculous strawmen, caricaturing the entirety of the Retake Mass Effect movement as crybabies. He also displays a stunning lack of comprehension of the situation and his dismissal of "player driven narrative" shows that on a fundamental level, he doesn't understand how video games work, much less Mass Effect.
  • Three words: Rose Tinted Reality. I had thought that after Retro A Go-Go that MovieBob's video game Nostalgia Filter tendencies would've either be downplayed or completely absent from the series. And yet, he reintroduces us to his "Video gaming had much more creative flexibility back in my day. Deal with it." stance, albeit with the added bonus of comparing the progression from the NES to SNES to the that of the first XBOX going to the second one. The icing on the cake when he says that you had work much harder back then to create characters and scenarios even if it boiled to "cloning Sonic the Hedgehog" than AAA game makers do today. I'm sorry, but that conclusion was anything but "difficult" to come to.
  • His The Amazing Spider-Man review can pretty much be summed up as "It's not exactly like the comic book! Nobody is allowed to like it! Wah-wah-wah!".
    • What amused me the most about MovieBob getting "broken" by The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was how he bashed on The Amazing Spider-Man 1 back in 2012, basically saying "This movie sucks because it isn't exactly like the comic." So we see that he hated the first movie, the second movie isn't getting nearly the acclaim as the first movie (I, personally, haven't gotten to see the second movie to make that call as of this writing), yet the second movie "broke" him? Why in the hell would he go into the sequel to a movie he hates with any sort of expectations in the first place!?
  • His review of the Law & Order: Special Victims Unit episode "Intimidation Game". Not only does he get the entire history and purpose of GamerGate wrong, not only does the review have an obnoxious and dickish tone, but he actually PRAISES the episode for all the horrifically cheesy dialogue, writing and acting. The whole thing is just a trainwreck of a review that is absolutely teeming with bias against gamers.
  • Everything regarding his "Really That Bad: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" video. First, he makes a preview video, talking about how Batman v Superman as a film has no redeeming qualities. Really, Bob? None? Batman v Superman is no masterpiece, but it is leagues better than other movies out there. Batman v Superman despite having its flaws comes no where near earning the sheer amount of scathing hatred it gets, and the idea that he thinks it deserves every bit of it is laughable! However, what cemented this as a dethroning moment is Bob's analysis on twitter and the fact that he clearly doesn't get the film, and I don't mean that in some pretentious "It's too deep for you" type of way, but in a way where he fails to understand the basic plot points right in front of him. This isn't analysis or criticism, this is stubbing your toe against a table and then making a video essay on why that table sucks.
    • I was getting sick of Bob already, but this video made me fed up with him completely. And I'm speaking as someone who thought the movie was terrible (not as bad as he made it out, but still plenty bad)! So my dislike of this video has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him, but more with the fact that it seems like it exists only as an excuse for him to rant about it yet again. I'm all for criticizing the film, but what's the point if you're not willing to actually discuss tangible problems with the film and offer no insight other than "it has no redeeming qualities" and other aspects you've ranted at length a million times before? It seems less like him wanting to make an argument and more like him working out his personal anger yet again. To be honest, it even gets me to question the authenticity for his love of film at all: if a film bothers you that much, wouldn't you want to forget about it completely, and not give it any attention, instead of ranting with no rhyme or reason, just for the sake of ranting?
  • I've grown to despise Bob as a person, but that's not why I'm putting this entry on here. As I was watching his "Really That Bad: Batman v Superman Part 1" video, he eventually said this gem: "If you think Spider-Man: Homecoming is the best Spider-Man movie, you are out of your goddamn mind!" Ugh... we're doing THIS again? Look, I think it's pretty clear that Bob has some bias in favor for the Sam Raimi interpretation of Spider-Man. I love that version of the character too, but it is totally out of line to say that someone is out of their mind for thinking Homecoming is the best Spidey movie. It's not fair to those who love Homecoming (which I do love), and it's basically saying "If you don't think Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 1 and Spider-Man 2 are the best Spidey movies, you're an idiot." I mean, he already made a video called "You're Wrong About Spider-Man 3", so why not continue to show just how incapable he is to judge a Spider-Man movie without some petty Sam Raimi bias thrown in there. It's fine if you don't think Homecoming's the best Spider-Man movie, Bob (which I agree with), but you can't just alienate people like that. Then again, what do you expect from a One More Day apologist?
  • I actually like a lot of his videos, but to me, his faux-populist stance is irritating. Most of the time, he embraces and talks about genre film-making, but at the same time, he is incredibly snobbish and superior about understanding these films and sees everything through the prism of genre as if that's the only way these films can work and have meaning. I have problems with his mangling and selective misreading of film history. Calling Kiss Me Deadly a "Good Enough Movie" when it's an all-time masterpiece of cinema is both ignorant and snobbish at the same time, as if a film with a pulp sensibility and an inventive exploration of crime films can only be "good enough". Him saying that French film critics rediscovered it when they put it in their list of best films in the year of release ignores and belittles the real hard work and innovative talents of the cahiers gang (i.e. that they called out films as great way before it was cool, being the OG Hipster). He also slams American Sniper and goes on about Clint Eastwood's politics while ignoring that Eastwood is a Republican who opposed the Iraq War, which obviously is not something he wants to acknowledge since it upsets his schema. In the Batman v Superman video-series, at the end of Part 1, he dismisses The Western as an inferior genre to superheroes, since The Western was based on justifying Manifest Destiny and so on. That's fair, but the thing is Manifest Destiny actually did happen and is a historical fact of American history, and it is the conquest on which American prosperity and hegemony is built and functions on to this day. A number of westerns in the Golden Age and beyond (John Ford, Delmer Daves and others) used the genre to deal with that reality whereas superhero films almost never raise and tackle serious questions and have no connection to anything real. His exploration of superhero films, whether its Marvel or DC largely focus on whether they work as escapist entertainment or not. The Zack Snyder films, for all its manifest flaws, which his video series does chronicle very astutely, at least tried to grapple with that.
  • "Really That Bad: Batman v Superman": Bob's initial claim that he would postpone this project indefinitely because of Zack Snyder's family tragedy, only to renege on that promise two months later when he wanted more money. That alone is bad enough, but it gets worse. With Bob, it usually does. He spends *four* hours 'analyzing' the film, and his grand conclusion amounts to "Zack Snyder doesn't understand Deconstruction because he's an Objectivist Alt-Right Crossfit Bro." Four hours of waiting for a coherent argument or point that never materializes.
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