User talk:New XanderMartin98

GethN7 already gave you a friendly warning about how your behaviour here has been close to violation of All The Tropes:What we aren't#We are not soapbox.2Fadvertisement space.

Your edit here has shown that you did not choose to heed that warning.

I am reverting that edit as being in violation of the core policy that has already been pointed out to you.

Further violation of the wiki's core policies may result in temporary blocking of your account's ability to edit here.

@New XanderMartin98 @Labster @GethN7 @Looney Toons @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

After review of your edits, you are coming pretty close to violating two of our core policies:

All The Tropes:No Lewdness, No Prudishness

First off, we have no desire to censor content, but at the same time, this is not a place to type one hand about what gets you off, Keep that in mind, we will take a hacksaw to anything that steps over the line.

You are doing a highwire act over this:

All The Tropes:What we aren't#We are not soapbox.2Fadvertisement space

We are NOT here to serve as ad space. We understand you wrote certain works and wish to trope them, but we will not be a shrine to your work, and criticism within the rules is also allowed. You've come pretty close (if you haven;t already crossed the line) to treating our site space like your personal ad agency for your work. Again, chill with that, or we will excise whatever we deem to cross the line.

This is a friendly warning for now. If you do not moderate your actions to avoid violations of the above, we will regrettably have to do so, and if we have to banish your hard work to the deletion bin to accomplish that, we will do so if that is what is required.

I actually was just mocking my fics for the fact that their blatant trope-loaded-ness outweighs their actual substance SO much, to be honest. The Brain Behind The Mask explicitly being labeled as a "shallow and pretentious parody" of the Courage The Cowardly Dog episode that it is supposed to be a "How It Should Have Ended" version of on the YMMV page that it currently has here is an especially major example of said ironic self-awareness.

And yes, I also basically was just explaining exactly what happened in them (without exaggeration, because they just are THAT over-the-top).

Does "moderating my actions" include (me) heavily editing a bunch of the entries on my currently existent fic pages as well?

A "just joking" defense is nothing but a hasty excuse thrown out when one realizes they're over the line. From my point of view, at least, your "mockery" looks a whole lot more like "Look at my pigsty! Look how much luscious deep shit and mud is in it! Look how much I've smeared all over myself before stuffing it in my mouth! Isn't it wunnnnnnn-derful?"

No. It is not.

The thing is, when you are not busily advertising just how disgusting your work is, you're a good editor with good contributions. We'd like to see a whole lot more of that than a hundred one-sentence edits a day about just how sick your stories are.

@ Looney Toons:

The point still stands; I was almost-entirely just stating the facts about my fics, and they at least are pretty well-made on basic levels such as having extremely colorful character casts and (currently) being highly descriptive of what happens in them while still telling (mostly) decent improv-generated stories at the same time.

Also, their main Running Gag (Brain With a Manual Control) is a severely under-utilized trope outside of them.

You are missing the point.

The point is that it's pretty obvious you are enjoying going into lurid descriptions of gross, vile, and downright disgusting things because you can, and are enjoying it on some level, and we can tell.

That's just being lewd for the sake of it, and crossing the line. While we do consider ourselves more informal than Wikipedia, when it comes to describing disgusting content, we want it described like they do: clinical, detached, and objective.

We don't exist to describe things in a lurid manner simply for shock value, they are supposed to describe how they display a trope and NOTHING MORE.

For example: I read that page on Courage The Cowardly Dog fic, and there was no need to go into such graphic detail about all the reasons for a Vomit Discretion Shot. Here's a sanitized version of the first bulletpoint that gets across the same point without being shamelessly graphic:

• Also, at one point in Kitty's nightmare, Mad Dog forces her to perform oral sex on him so hard that she ends up becoming the subject of yet another one of these as a result.

Notice the crucial change here? I described the same events, just with less gratuitous and disgusting imagery.

That said, I'm going to leave you a choice: Either tone down the shock value you are clearly reveling in that goes over the line of our policies on being unnecessarily graphic, or we will have no choice but to excise those pages as violations of site policy.

Consider that more than a friendly warning, that is a promise with my mod hat ON that something will be done.

Alright, so I've done about as much censorship as I can do (while preserving informational accuracy) on what I think is all of my Xan-Fic pages (in other words, all of the ones whose links are listed on this website's Anvilicious page); is it enough yet?

First off, I'm detecting quite a bit of passive-aggressive smartass in your reply, the constant "Censorship" reasons you gave were not very subtle.

That said, fine, be passive-aggressive all you want so long as you quit being gratuitously lewd and graphic for the sake of it. If you think us not wanting more detail than is necessary is censorship, whatever, but there is a fine line between giving an objective description of something and being shocking for the sake of getting off on shock value, and we do not condone the latter as a matter of policy.

For the record, I'm no killjoy, I can see the humor in being tasteless on purpose as a form of humor, but when it gets to the point it's obvious you are trying to be edgy and depraved simply to advertise deviance, then it goes too far as we will not be passive participants in letting it continue, either keep the facts as clinical and to the point as possible or simply do not post, are we clear?

I used the word "Censorship" because it was what I was doing

Whatever, fine by me, just as long as you abide by policy.

I got banned by TV Tropes because they didn't understand what the word censorship meant. It means roughly what Xander says it means -- limiting speech to comply with social norms.

I meant roughly. Take this edit. So okay, you censored it by changing 'ejaculating semen' to 'squirting spunk'? That's a little, um, unusual in terms of censorship. The more academic words were the former. However, the bigger problem is that this is absolutely not an example of the trope -- The Immodest Orgasm is all about audio volume, not liquid volume. Please make sure that your examples match the trope, and are not just an excuse to talk about perverted things.

And while I despise censorship as much as anyone else, we do have policy on not using more detail than is necessary, else we consider it writing with one hand. @New XanderMartin98, below are examples of how to write about something graphic without going overboard:

• Hogwarts Exposed
• Mai-chan's Daily Life
• Fansadox
• Death Panda
• Chibi Usa's Seventh Birthday

If you read all the above examples, they cover some disturbing material, some just as bad or WORSE than what you've depicted, but stick to the facts, keep out of the gutter (insofar as they can while still describing the basics), and otherwise keep a reasonably objective, clinical, and detached tone.

That is what we want to see. Hating censorship does not mean we have no standards, we just don't censor pages unless they cover content we cannot cover legally, but we still insist on some bare minimum standards of decorum, taste, and formality. If you object to that, let me know now, I can show you the door immediately. If not, please moderate your posting to conform to our standards and this matter is a closed book unless it happens again.

And like my colleague @Labster put it, we also want you to use tropes properly.

(PS: my fics really are deliberately made to be comically pretentious and Anvilicious crap;

in fact, I'm actually WAITING for someone else to give them actual criticism that properly points out how "crazy yet formulaic" they are)

You're probably going to be waiting for a long, long time - see Poe's Law.

And the descriptions that you gave your stories don't make me want to read them... but I'm only one person.

Likewise. I barely want to read the articles, but someone has to find and fix the errors.

> in fact, I'm actually WAITING for someone else to give them actual criticism that properly points out how "crazy yet formulaic" they are)

Taking my mod hat all the way off, and hiding it under a blanket

So you're basically attention whoring?

To be fair, Courage The Cowardly Dog itself is an absolutely definitive example of something being "crazy yet formulaic"

That part is true, Courage is pretty weird and yet sitcommy. I was referring to the other part of the sentence, about you WAITING for someone else to give criticism about how X your story is.

(Slight digression: You've managed something incredibly rare here - all four of the wiki's Bureaucrats are taking part in the same discussion thread. That almost never happens outside of policy discussions. Of course, since we are all taking part in this discussion, if there's a decision made here that you don't like, there's nobody to appeal it to... which is why we almost never do this. We prefer to give an avenue for appeal for our decisions.)

The file Meow Showing Off His Brain (Complete).png which you uploaded earlier today is too big for the wiki effectively use.

This is the second time you have uploaded a massively-oversized image. On our guideline page Uploading and Adding an Image to a Page, we recommend resizing images to 300-450 pixels wide before uploading -- there is no rational reason to upload an image larger than a few hundred kilobytes (or at most a megabyte). Please don't do this any more -- all it does is waste wiki resources for no real benefit.

Please replace this image with something more reasonably sized. If you can't or don't do this by the end of the weekend, we will have to delete the image. (Note also that it is a "fair use" image but is too large to be used anywhere, so it will be deleted for failing to meet the requirements of Fair Use as well.)

-- Looney Toons, admin

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

Adding to what Looney Toons said above: Any image that breaks the wiki's thumbnail algorithm is definitely too big. If you don't see a thumbnail of the image during the upload process, your image is too large to be used on the wiki.

I have on occasion uploaded images that are 1024x768 pixels - the size of a 1990s/2000s display - but I have ensured that the files are less than 300kb in size before doing so.

Really big images have their place... but that place is DeviantArt, not a wiki.

-- robkelk, admin

Does it being replaced by its (Shrunk) version count?

Even if it does, I'll try to crop the image so that only the most important part of it is shown.

Also, why am I not able to delete my own images here?

Replacing the image with a smaller copy counts, yes. You can overwrite the current image.

And deleting pages and files is restricted to admins only here. we've had trouble with vandals doing wholesale deletion of pages in the past.

There's "overized" as in too big for the wiki to actually use, and then there's "oversize" as in "larger than it needs to be to display on a page". I've replaced your latest oversized image (File:Courage inside Kitty's brain.jpg) with one more suited to use on the wiki.

(@New XanderMartin98: Somehow the original of this message ended up on an incorrect user talk page when I wrote it eighteen days ago; I just realized that now and am reposting it here today because the points it covers are still valid issues regarding your edits.)

... is used to specify the name of an existing Wikipedia page to look up instead of the All The Tropes page name when the Wikipedia button is clicked. It is an optional parameter, to use only when our page name does not match the corresponding Wikipedia page's name. It's not needed most of the time, and since the Wikipedia button defaults to the page name, it's redundant to put the page name in the parameter. And it's definitely not needed if there isn't a page on Wikipedia for your fic -- which there isn't.

On another topic entirely, you've been making dozens -- nearly hundreds -- of little one-sentence edits. Have you considered using the preview button instead of saving and reopening a page every time you add something? While there's nothing inherently wrong with what you're doing, it does fill up the Recent Changes log with many, many, many little edits, and makes the daily task of reviewing changes that some of us admins do that much more difficult and tedious.

-- Looney Toons, admin

PS: The main reason I went looking for this notice was to note that eighteen days later you are still making hundreds of little one- and two-sentence edits a minute or two apart on basically the same six to ten pages. It would be unfair to penalize you about this as you almost certainly never saw the notice due to my error, but from now on please consider just opening the page up once and using the preview feature instead of opening and closing it every 90 seconds or so.

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

This is a reminder, since you apparently need it. Unless Wikipedia has a page for your fanfic, which is unlikely to the extreme, do not use the wppage parameter for the work template.

That is all.

This is to inform you that I have noticed and deleted most of your recent contributions to Rocko's Modern Life because they were copied word-for-word (or almost entirely so) from TV Tropes. This is not only against wiki policy, it is illegal due to the differences between our license and TV Tropes' license. The only exception is if you can definitively prove that everything you copied is your original work and yours alone.

Because of this, I now have a new hobby -- checking all your other contributions against TV Tropes and making sure none of them break the law.

So, this is an official warning per our ban guidelines: You won't be penalized for any copyright violations committed before now, but if you cut-and-paste anything else from TV Tropes you will be subject to an immediate punitive tempban. Again, if you can demonstrate that you are only reproducing your own work, this does not apply.

-- Looney Toons, admin

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

OkComputer1337 was my most recent (forced) alternate account on TV Tropes, and I played a huge part in editing nearly all of the trope entries that have been transferred from that site to this one (also, yes; I figured that things such as largely improving the original entry's grammar would basically eliminate copyright issues).

To be more specific about (a few of) the entries on your main Rocko's Modern Life page:

I created the TV Tropes version of the Widget Series one.

I created the TV Tropes version of the Sanity Slippage one (or, at least, the "potato chip" part of the Sanity Slippage one).

I created the TV Tropes version of the Hilariously Abusive Childhood one.

I created the TV Tropes version of the Hypocritical Humor one.

(Please make sure to actually check the History on the TV Tropes versions of these pages before doing these types of things.)

(DetestableDegenerate was another one of my accounts, as a parody of what TV Tropes itself seemed to view me as)

And how are we supposed to guess that a different handle is you? I in fact did sit there last night comparing not only the displayed page but as much of the history as I thought was necessary to determine that no "New XanderMartin98" was responsible for any of those edits.

It is your responsibility to let us know that you were the original author under a different handle, just as it is our responsibility to protect the wiki from the clueless and those who think neither copyright policy nor copyright law applies to them.

-- Looney Toons, admin

As for copied edits that weren't made by me, why not just edit them more in order to make them genuinely different from their TVT counterparts?

That needs to be done before they are added to All The Tropes, not after the fact. And it needs to be done to such an extent that it would be faster to write something different that makes the same point.

--robkelk, admin

Also, yes; in general, you aren't exactly going to be seeing a lot of copied edits that weren't originally made by me here (especially in/on your Mother 3 and Courage The Cowardly Dog pages, whose TV Tropes counterparts were especially notable recent victims of TVT's utterly retarded "edit reverting" policy)

My deletions have been reversed, by the way.