Talk:Sonar Sight

Launched by an eager troper, after which the mods did the pre-launch cleanup and trope renaming.

Unless someone says wait...

I'd change the name (Bat Vision, Super Echolocation, Sonar Sense ect.), but otherwise launchable.

Yes, needs a better name, but otherwise good enough.

How do I launch it?

EDIT: Never mind, I launched it.

I would rather we had not launched it until the name issue was settled, but too late now.

Did we decide on a better name? The one it has now only makes sense if you read comic books (I think).

Oh, and the launch process should include trimming out all the section headers that don't have any examples yet... but anybody can do that. In fact, I'll do that now. EDIT: And it's done.

The trimming is part of what I call a "pre-launch cleanup", which also gets rid of all the excess "in progress" templates. Usually that includes adding more categories, because almost no one adds categories in the Workshop, but I did that already back at the end of November.

As for a better name, how about "Sonar Sight"?

Sonar Sight works for me.

Agreed. It doesn't depend on pop-culture knowledge, and the Added Alliterative Appeal is a plus.

After discussion, this request was removed.

Why? Virtually all the tropes on the wiki are about fiction, but we still have real life examples for them.

Agreed. It's hardly libelous or insulting, and most real life examples are likely to be animals, who historically have had little luck filing lawsuits.

There are blind humans capable of echolocation. Although I'm not sure if it's even possible to know how similar or different human echolocation is from human sight in how people experience the world (it's possible that there already is compelling evidence that it is similar, I don't know). And even if we bring up that some humans can use echolocation, I'm not sure how much more the wiki gets out of it by naming individuals capable of it, unless we give a link to a video or something.

Well, i'm sorry for making this page, okay? I'm going to have it deleted.

Well, that's a little extreme as a reaction to us saying "why not have real life examples?"

The real joke here is, that's how it really works. The known animals with active echolocation are mammals, mostly bats and whales. Their ancestors already handled spatial model with the visual analyzer before developing active echolocation. Meaning that in the end processed audio signal is necessarily dumped into visual cortex (which performs actual positioning). Thus while it's hard to tell exactly how they perceive it, echolocation is somehow mapped to vision.

Echolocation isn't exclusive to mammals. For example at least 1 species of swiftlets (a type of bird) are known to use echolocation.

Same deal, probably - once visual cortex is there, it's easier to reuse than to duplicate.

Would Daredevil Vision be a subtrope? Echolocation is explicitly in Bizarre Alien Senses.

Indeed.

And possibly internal, since the definition is so narrow there's still only 2 examples.