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'''''MS Saga: A New Dawn''''', also known by its Japanese title ''Gundam: True Odyssey'', is a [[PlayStation 2]] [[RPG]] loosely based on the long-running ''[[Gundam]]'' franchise. An odd duck by any standard, ''MS Saga'' marries the iconic [[Humongous Mecha]] of the ''Gundam'' franchise with an entirely new setting and plot, effectively creating an(other) entirely new [[Alternate Universe]] to add to the ''Gundam'' menagerie. The result is predictably [[Troperiffic]], cheerfully combining standard [[JRPG]] tropes with standard ''Gundam'' tropes into something of a [[Cliché Storm]] that may none the less be a [[Guilty Pleasure]] for fans of either (or especially both).

As a departure from most ''Gundam'' video games (which tend to be either arcade-style [[Action Game|Action Games]] a la the ''[[Gundam vs. Series]]'' or [[Turn-Based Strategy]] in the vein of ''[[Super Robot Wars]]''), ''MS Saga'' is a turn based [[Role-Playing Game]] in the style of the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' or ''[[Dragon Quest]]''. The player controls a party of characters each piloting a mobile suit; as they fight, the characters gain levels (which increases their stats and expands the pool of more powerful "[[Special Attack|boost attacks]]" and useful "[[Magic by Any Other Name|techniques]]" that they can perform), while the mecha can be equipped with various combination of weaponry via a [[Grid Inventory]] system. In a hanger with proper facilities, mecha can be upgraded and otherwise modified -- parts from many different mecha can be combined to form one new machine in a robotic form of [[Mix-and-Match Critters]] (incidentally mirroring the [[Real Life]] practice of combining multiple [[Merchandise-Driven|model kits]] into a single, new unit, a process known as "[[Fan Nickname|kitbashing]]"). Of course, you can always just switch wholesale to a shiny new mecha once you get your mitts on one. This multi-tiered system, with the linearly-developing [[Character Level|Character Levels]] of most [[JRPG|JRPGs]] applying to the pilots and the less restricted [[Character Customization]] more typical of [[Western RPG|Western RPGs]] applying to the mecha, can lead to the construction of [[Elite Tweak|absurdly-customized parties]].

Note that this effort will not be wasted; ''MS Saga'' can reach [[Nintendo Hard]] levels even during normal gameplay. Additional extras, including [[Bonus Dungeon|Bonus Dungeons]], [[Bonus Boss|Bonus Bosses]], [[Boss in Mook Clothing]] battles, [[Tournament Arc]] [[Sidequest|Sidequests]], and more are added at nearly all points in the game. Thankfully, these are generally optional, and in fact sometimes become [[Lost Forever]] without [[Guide Dang It|their existence ever really being hinted at]]. Getting true [[One Hundred Percent Completion]] is an impressive feat.

''MS Saga'' incorporates mecha primarily from the Universal Century ''[[Gundam]]'' timeline, specifically from ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam]]'' to ''[[Chars Counterattack]]'', but includes weapons and equipment from everything through to ''[[Mobile Suit Victory Gundam|Victory Gundam]]''. Mecha and equipment from ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam Wing|Gundam Wing]]'' and ''[[Mobile Fighter G Gundam|G Gundam]]'' also appear, though primarily as rewards for beating the aforementioned optional content. The game did poorly both critically and financially, having the dubious honor of being the worst selling ''Gundam'' [[PlayStation 2]] game ever, though it's something of a [[Cult Classic]] among the few who took a shine to it.

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* [[Absolute Cleavage]]: Li Fang.
* [[Accidental Pervert]]: When Vargas first encounters Li Fang, she accuses him of trying to look up her skirt. It's likely intentional on his part...
* [[After the End]]: The Great Fall, which killed 90% of humanity in a week, took place sixty years before the game begins. Thanks to the G Systems (which are basically [[Matter Replicator|Matter Replicators]]), the world recovered in fairly short order, if quite a bit emptier than before.
* [[Alpha Strike]]: Various boost attacks; Gatling Body (fires all [[Unusual Weapon Mounting|non-handheld weapons]]), Gatling Fire (fires [[More Dakka|all ranged weapons]]), and Ultimate Weapon (attacks with [[No Kill Like Overkill|every weapon you have]], ''including'' your melee weapon, which can be quite hilarious when you unleash the fury of [[BFG|bazookas]], [[Frickin' Laser Beams|beam rifles]], [[More Dakka|machine guns]], [[Shoulder Cannon|Shoulder Cannons]], and [[Wave Motion Gun|Wave Motion Guns]] on a target, then run up and [[Cherry Tapping|punch it]]... and then it [[Finger-Poke of Doom|explodes]]).
* Anti-Grinding: You don't get massive amounts of experience from random battles and stat gains from levelling up only makes up about a third of your offensive stats and none of your defensive. Your far more likely to just battle for money than exp.
* [[Attack Drone]]: UC Gundams bits and funnels make an appearance as techs that can be powered up by the right equipment.
* [[Awesome but Practical]]: Some of the most useful Boost attacks are Gatling Fire and Lightning Lancer. Gatling fire shoots all ranged weapons and is easily powered up and available to nearly every character. Lightning Lancer attacks without regard to [[Action Initiative]] and cannot be countered.
* [[Awesome but Impractical]]: Shield cannons; as shields with built-in weaponry, they theoretically provide the benefits of both a [[Luckily, My Shield Will Protect Me|shield]] and an [[Arm Cannon|arm-mounted weapon]]. Unfortunately, they tend to be large, relatively weak as both weapons and shields, and have significant speed penalties.
** Some Boost Attacks have no real use. Explosion uses one of your ranged weapons to deal damage to all enemies in a huge [[Wave Motion Gun]] style attack, but since it just divides the normal weapon damage up between multiple targets, it ends up being fairly weak. Speed Lance is one that allows you to make a melee attack before anyone else can act, regardless of [[Action Initiative]], but in late-game this does more harm than good since it doesn't allow your allies to set up support moves to cover you from [[Counter Attack|Counter Attacks]].
* [[Big Damn Hero]]: Hal in the Gundam, Fritz and his Full Armor Gundam, plus {{spoiler|Hal during the final dungeon.}}
* [[Bigger Stick]]: New weapons and Mobile Suits are necessary at regular intervals if you want to survive.
* [[Bishonen Line]]: Done with the [[Big Bad]]'s ''mecha''. He starts off in the [http://mahq.net/mecha/gundam/cca/nz-333.htm Alpha Azieru], and when that's defeated he uses the G-System to reconfigure it into an evil version of [https://web.archive.org/web/20121230193220/http://mahq.net/mecha/gundam/endlesswaltz/xxxg-00w0.htm Wing Zero Custom].
* [[Boobs of Steel]]: The melee-oriented ladies (Tremmie, Rezner and Li Fang) are more stacked than the ranged-focused girls (Aeon and Lapis).
* [[Boss Dissonance]]: While the mooks aren't exactly a cakewalk, the bosses are absolutely ''brutal''. Starting at around mid-game, they can [[One-Hit Kill]] an unprepared party. Expect to engage in some [[Trial and Error Gameplay]] as you figure out a good loadout for a particular boss.
* [[Bragging Rights Reward]]: The Master Gundam and Mini-G system are your rewards for fully exploring the [[Bonus Dungeon]] and fighting every suit in the game, including the [[Bonus Boss|Bonus Bosses]]. There is nothing much you can do with either one.
* [[Can't Catch Up]]: Starting with the second mobile suit you get, it becomes clear that some mecha just flat-out overpower others. Given that you can only build a limited number of MS during the course of the game, and many of the ones you built are unique, you'll frequently have to settle for a subpar ride for some of your characters.
* [[Charged Attack]]: Boost attacks, which require you to use between 4 and 10 units of energy, generated at 2 units per turn (unless you use items, equipment or abilities to increase it).
* [[Char Clone]]: It wouldn't be ''[[Gundam]]'' without one! Hal has all the classic attributes of a Char.
* [[Commissar Cap]]: Rezner wears one, as do a few other Eisengrad officers. Give her a Beam Pistol for extra Commissar points.
* [[Continuity Nod]]: A lot of implied ones are made to the main Gundam series, with the implication the game takes place in a far distant future of the series like [[Turn A Gundam]], but it never goes out of its way to follow up on this to avoid [[Continuity Lockout]], as the game was designed for those would would be new to Gundam in general.
* [[Counter Attack]]: Both enemies and allies automatically counter a melee attack on them with a melee attack of their own. Learning to deal with these is absolutely vital for the proper use of melee-oriented characters.
* [[Crap Saccharine World]]: Don't let the cutesy look fool you, its still Gundam. The backstory alone kills 90% of the population.
** [[Crapsack World]]: And it becomes clear very early on the end goal of the villains involves filling the world with mobile suits, which, given this is Gundam based, is a recipe for misery for everyone.
* [[Crutch Character]]: Gavenger, who has good ranged ''and'' melee stats, all three basic defensive boosts, and a great healing ability. No other character has this combination of abilities.
* [[Cowardly Lion]]: Fritz. He gets better.
* [[Difficulty Spike]]: A very noticable one toward the end of the game.
* [[Disc One Final Dungeon]]: Both the battle for {{spoiler|the Dark Alliance base and retake Eisengrad}} paint themselves as the final battle. Neither are anywhere close.
* [[Disc One Nuke]]: Its possible, but hard, to acquire equipment that is a couple upgrades better than what you should have. Some equipment is also alot better than its place in the story.
* [[Eleventh-Hour Superpower]]: The Nu Gundam -- which has the largest possible equipment grid and among the best stats in the game -- is only available after the penultimate boss fight. The Sazabi, similarly powerful, only joins in for the ''second half'' of the [[Final Boss]]. You'll need them both for the [[Post End Game Content]].
* [[Expy]]: In addition to Hal, the obligatory [[Char Clone]], Major Rezner has a strong resemblance to Ms. Matilda from the ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam]]''.
** Tristan is basically an amalgamation of various Gundam protagonists.
** Fritz is a 50/50 mix of [[Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory|Chuck Keith]] and [[Mobile Suit Gundam|Kai Shiden]]
* [[Fight Woosh]]: The screen breaks into squares that fade out. They're even coloured differently for special encounters.
* [[Five-Man Band]] The cast rather easily falls into one
** [[The Hero]] Tristan
** [[The Lancer]] Temmie and Fritz
** [[The Big Guy]] Gavenger, Bazuli and Li Fang
** [[The Smart Guy]] Rezner and Vargas
** [[The Chick]] Aeon and Lapis
* [[Glass Cannon]]: Both Tremmie and Li Fang deal damage fast and hard, but lack defensive boosts. A number of MS with good melee or ranged stats but poor HP and armor stats also qualify.
* [[Grid Inventory]]: Used to equip weapons. Each mobile suit's inventory is a rectangle of a certain height and width (the smallest is 3x4, the largest is 8x8), and each weapon is represented by a certain arrangement of squares. Melee weapons tend to be tall and skinny, while ranged weapons are short and wide; for example, a basic beam saber is one square wide and three tall, while a basic beam rifle is only one square tall but three squares wide. The dimensions of the grids reflect this as well; a melee-oriented suit will be have a tall, thin grid, while a ranged-oriented suit will have a short, wide grid, and a balanced suit will have a nearly square grid.
* [[Inconsistent Translation]]: While the translation is generally decent overall, it has an odd mix of Japanese and English naming conventions, with the appellation 'Kai" at the end of some mech names instead of the English equivalent "Custom"
* [[Infinity+1 Sword]]: The Nu Gundam is pretty much this. It has the highest speed and ranged stats and has some of the higher strength and armor as well as having a full 8x8 inventory grid. Burning Gundam can be considered one as well solely for its melee stat, which is ''way'' off the roof.
* [[Jack of All Stats]]: Quite a lot of suits, notably the GM series of mecha. Generally averted for the characters; all of them focus on ''something''.
* [[Lazy Artist]]: A lot of dungeons suffer from a ton of copypasted design.
* [[Lethal Joke Character]]: Guncannon customised for barefisted melee attacks. How does ''that'' work?
* [[Let's Play]]: has an impressive one [http://lparchive.org/MS-Saga-A-New-Dawn/ Here] at the lparchive. Has humor, Fritz bashing, but is played by a person who self-admittably makes tactical errors and refuses to finish the [[Bonus Dungeon]].
* [[Magic by Any Other Name]]: MS Saga calls them "techniques" instead of "spells", but they're still magic, complete with a pool of [[Mana|"Technique Points"]] instead of MP and a stat ("Mind") that controls how powerful a character's techniques are.
* [[Magic From Technology]]: Presumably the case with techniques -- though the details of how that works [[MST3K Mantra|probably don't bear thinking on]].
* [[The Medic]]: In a change from usual fare, the best medics are Fritz and Tristan.
* [[Mighty Glacier]]: Tristan, Gavenger and Bazuli all have considerable offensive abilities but are also slow. Several MS with good HP and armor but low speed also qualify.
* [[Mismatched Eyes]]: Tristan, for no reason, aside from possibly making him stand out.
* [[My Rules Are Not Your Rules]]: Enemy suits have loadouts, abilities and powers that you cannot duplicate, without even counting the MS that you don't have access to.
* [[Mystical Waif]]: Aeon, and how.
* [[Nintendo Hard]]: The final stages of the game and the bonus bosses. The latter can easily kill you in one hit.
* [[Older Than They Look]]: Marie, dubbed "Fossil" by Fritz, which [[Berserk Button|she doesn't appreciate]]. It's implied that she's well over 70, being {{spoiler|one of the founding members of The Unicorns}}.
* [[Overly Long Name]]: Marie Orijin Neikeshuneku Tokita. We only get to see the full version once.
* [[Palette Swap]]: There are relatively few actual enemy models in the game. Some of the more obvious ones include bosses like Big Zam or the ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam Wing|Gundam Wing]]'' Gundams that show up again later, with different colors and more power.
* [[Post End Game Content]]: An odd example; after you beat the [[Final Boss]], you can save. When you load that save, it drops you at the save point immediately ''before'' the final boss, as if you hadn't beaten him yet -- except that the [[Eleventh-Hour Superpower]] that you acquire during the final boss battle is still there, and now the [[Bonus Dungeon]] is open
* [[Power-Up Letdown]]: You can often invest a lot of time, money and resources to aquire equipment and mechs that aren't much stronger or even weaker than what you already have.
* [[Senseless Sacrifice]]: {{spoiler|Gavenger}}, staying behind to execute a [[You Shall Not Pass]] after the party has been chased into a small tunnel. He dies, which is considered stupid by some players since he could have just collapsed the mouth of the tunnel, and some of the enemies' suits are too big to follow the party in the first place.
* [[So Long and Thanks For All the Gear]]: Averted, party members that leave cannot have their equipment customized. Your still throwing away money by upgrading them though.
* [[Sorting Algorithm of Evil]]: Justified, in the beginning the resident authorities on technology refuse to research weapons tech, which leads to both sides using only the most basic of equipment. Later on villains {{spoiler|Vladi/Hal and Gabriel}} have access to the more advanced tech. Then they find the unsullied equipment on the moon.
* [[Special Attack]]: Boost attacks, which can be anything from a slightly more powerful melee blow to making the party temporarily invulnerable to specific kinds of attacks to [[No Kill Like Overkill|simultaneously firing every weapon you have equipped and following up with a melee strike for good measure]].
* [[Standard Status Effects]]: Same old effects, shiny new names to make more sense as applied to giant robots. Acid is poison, Short is paralyze, etc.
* [[Super-Deformed]]: The ''mecha'' of all things, are semi-SD. They're about halfway between their normal "realistic" proportions and their chibified SD proportions. This means that they're about 30 feet tall (instead of the usual 60-or-so) and more stylized than the typical depiction of mecha, but not to the point of being cutesy looking or their heads making up 80% of their bodies. The ''humans'', though, are still normal.
* [[Suspiciously Similar Substitute]]: Played straight and averted. While Bazuli and Lapis join the party near when {{spoiler|Gavenger and Aeon leave}} and can take over some of their roles, they cannot do their most pivotal boosts and make up by focusing in other areas.
* [[Too Awesome to Use]]: Engine energy equipment and high-stat boosts can turn the tide in many battles. Too bad you can't buy them.
* [["Wake-Up Call" Boss]]: The first Gouf will teach you the importance of defending against boost attacks. The Xamel shows the necessity of defensive boosts.
* [[With This Herring]]: Averted; top-tier (for the time) mobile suits are given to you at multiple points in the game. Don't expect much help upgrading them, though.

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