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What *should* happen when one of these occurs^[1]

Meji: ...so... um... you're Jon's long lost, estranged sister, who's been turned into an emotionless magic Ninja assassin by some secret order of monks hidden in the mountains? That's like, really, kinda freaking stupid if you don't mind me saying. And I thought your brother's whole 'hitman with a troubled past and a heart of gold' bit was bad.

Ellis: Yeah, and this is coming from a magic-using, half elven heiress with unusual hair and eye colors, and talking animal companion. So that's really saying something there.

—Errant Story, whose lightbulb must be nearly invisible by now.

Mary Sue is legion. She has many forms, each more terrible than the one before. And she breeds.

Some authors, through either myopia, self-absorption, or the fact that they're writing the story with or for a group of their friends, don't stop at just one. They pile the Sue on. "Let's see, Purity Sue for the heroine, of course. Plus a Relationship Sue for her love interest. Villain Sue pitted against her, because my villain should be cool, too. Wait, people might think this is stereotypical, let's put her friend Anti-Sue in there to show everyone I'm a serious author. And hey, while I'm at it, why don't I make the Ensemble Darkhorses the heroine's best friends? They are so underrated... and they can all have adventures in my Mary Suetopia!"

And then there are authors who don't want anyone stealing the limelight from the surrogate, so they pile every single Sue trait onto one character, creating a sort of... Hive Sue. On the other hand, authors that are slightly more fandom-savvy may forgo making original Sues and turn all their favorite canon characters into Possession Sues instead in order to fall under the Mary Sue Hunter radar.

Parody Sue is usually this done deliberately, although it can become hard to tell it was supposed to be a joke. Parodies of multiple types of Sue tend to turn into a bloodbath (see page picture), as there's usually only room for one. And the above example raises a kind of interesting question: When everyone is a Mary Sue, would they cancel each other out? Or would the universe implode? The idea that they cancel each other out is one of the major rationales behind this trope. After all; if everyone is a Sue who can complain?

No examples, please; Mary Sue Tropes are by their nature YMMV Tropes, and we don't need the flamewars.

↑ And then the last one commits seppuku. Yay!

[1] And then the last one commits seppuku. Yay!

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-[[File:sparklypoo.jpg|frame|[[There Can Be Only One|What]] ''[[There Can Be Only One|should]]'' [[There Can Be Only One|happen when one of these occurs]]<ref>[[The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny|And then the last one commits seppuku. Yay!]]</ref>]]
+[[File:sparklypoo.jpg|frame|[[There Can Be Only One|What ''should'' happen when one of these occurs]]<ref>[[The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny|And then the last one commits seppuku. Yay!]]</ref>]]
+{{quote|'''Meji''': ...so... um... you're Jon's [[Long Lost Sibling|long lost, estranged sister]], who's been turned into an [[Emotionless Girl|emotionless]] magic Ninja assassin by some [[All Monks Know Kung Fu|secret order of monks]] [[Shangri La|hidden in the mountains]]? That's like, really, kinda freaking stupid if you don't mind me saying. And I thought your brother's whole '[[Hitman with a Heart|hitman with a troubled past and a heart of gold]]' bit was bad.
+'''Ellis''': Yeah, and this is coming from a [[Magical Girl|magic-using]], [[Half-Human Hybrid|half elven]] [[The President's Daughter|heiress]] with unusual [[Anime Hair|hair]] and [[Kaleidoscope Eyes|eye]] colors, and [[Non-Human Sidekick|talking animal companion]]. So that's really saying something there.|''[[Errant Story]]'', whose [[Lampshade Hanging|lightbulb]] [[Better Than a Bare Bulb|must be nearly invisible by now]].}}
-{{quote|'''Meji''': ...so... um... you're Jon's [[Long Lost Sibling|long lost, estranged sister]], who's been turned into an [[Emotionless Girl|emotionless]] magic Ninja assassin by some [[All Monks Know Kung Fu|secret order of monks]] [[Shamgri La|hidden in the mountains]]? That's like, really, kinda freaking stupid if you don't mind me saying. And I thought your brother's whole '[[Hitman With a Heart|hitman with a troubled past and a heart of gold]]' bit was bad.<br />
-'''Ellis''': Yeah, and this is coming from a [[Magical Girl|magic-using]], [[Half Human Hybrid|half elven]] [[The Presidents Daughter|heiress]] with unusual [[Anime Hair|hair]] and [[Kaleidoscope Eyes|eye]] colors, and [[Non Human Sidekick|talking animal companion]]. So that's really saying something there.|''[[Errant Story]]'', whose [[Lampshade Hanging|lightbulb]] [[Better Than a Bare Bulb|must be nearly invisible by now]].}}
 [[Mary Sue]] [[I Am Legion|is legion]]. [[Mary Sue Tropes|She has many forms]], each more terrible than the one before. And she ''breeds''.
-Some authors, through either myopia, self-absorption, or the fact that they're writing the story [[Self Insert Fic|with or for a group of their friends]], don't stop at just one. They [[Gotta Catch Them All|pile the Sue on]]. "Let's see, [[Purity Sue]] for the heroine, of course. Plus a [[Relationship Sue]] for her love interest. [[Villain Sue]] pitted against her, because my villain should be cool, too. Wait, people might think this is stereotypical, let's put her friend [[Anti Sue]] in there to show everyone I'm a serious author. And hey, while I'm at it, why don't I make the [[Ensemble Darkhorse|Ensemble Darkhorses]] the heroine's [[Possession Sue|best friends?]] They are SO underrated... and they can all have adventures in my [[Mary Suetopia]]!"
+Some authors, through either myopia, self-absorption, or the fact that they're writing the story [[Self-Insert Fic|with or for a group of their friends]], don't stop at just one. They [[Gotta Catch Them All|pile the Sue on]]. "Let's see, [[Purity Sue]] for the heroine, of course. Plus a [[Relationship Sue]] for her love interest. [[Villain Sue]] pitted against her, because my villain should be cool, too. Wait, people might think this is stereotypical, let's put her friend [[Anti-Sue]] in there to show everyone I'm a serious author. And hey, while I'm at it, why don't I make the [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]s the heroine's [[Possession Sue|best friends?]] They are ''so'' underrated... and they can all have adventures in my [[Mary Suetopia]]!"
-And then there are authors who don't want anyone stealing the limelight from [[Author Avatar|the surrogate]], so they pile ''[[Common Mary Sue Traits|every single Sue trait]]'' onto one character, creating a sort of... ''[[Hive Mind|Hive Sue]]''. On the other hand, authors that are slightly more [[Genre Savvy|fandom-savvy]] may forgo making original Sues and turn all their favorite canon characters into [[Possession Sue|Possession Sues]] instead in order to fall under the [[Mary Sue Hunter]] radar.
+And then there are authors who don't want anyone stealing the limelight from [[Author Avatar|the surrogate]], so they pile ''[[Common Mary Sue Traits|every single Sue trait]]'' onto one character, creating a sort of... ''[[Hive Mind|Hive Sue]]''. On the other hand, authors that are slightly more [[Genre Savvy|fandom-savvy]] may forgo making original Sues and turn all their favorite canon characters into [[Possession Sue]]s instead in order to fall under the [[Mary Sue Hunter]] radar.
-[[Parody Sue]] is usually this done deliberately, although [[Poes Law|it can become hard to tell it was supposed to be a joke]]. Parodies of multiple types of Sue tend to turn into a bloodbath (see page picture), as [[Black Hole Sue|there's usually only room for one]]. And the above example raises a kind of interesting question: When ''everyone'' is a [[Mary Sue]], [[Fridge Logic|would they cancel each other out]]? [[Divide By Zero|Or would the universe implode]]? The idea that they cancel each other out is one of the major rationales behind this trope. After all; if everyone is a Sue who can complain?
+[[Parody Sue]] is usually this done deliberately, although [[Poe's Law|it can become hard to tell it was supposed to be a joke]]. Parodies of multiple types of Sue tend to turn into a bloodbath (see page picture), as [[Black Hole Sue|there's usually only room for one]]. And the above example raises a kind of interesting question: When ''everyone'' is a [[Mary Sue]], [[Fridge Logic|would they cancel each other out]]? [[Divide by Zero|Or would the universe implode]]? The idea that they cancel each other out is one of the major rationales behind this trope. After all; if everyone is a Sue who can complain?
+{{noexamples|[[Mary Sue Tropes]] are by their nature [[:Category:YMMV Trope|YMMV Tropes]], and we don't need the flamewars.}}
-'''No examples please, this just defines the trope'''.
 {{reflist}}
 [[Category:Mary Sue Tropes]]
-[[Category:Home Page/YMMV]]
 [[Category:YMMV Trope]]
 [[Category:Fanfic Tropes]]
-[[Category:Thirty Sue Pileup]]
+[[Category:Thirty-Sue Pileup]]
-[[Category:Trope]]