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* If you're talking about that Spaceworld demo that showed Link and Ganondorf fighting and was the cause of the whole ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Wind Waker]]'' Backlash: Personally, I found that Demo's graphics to be disgustingly ugly. Link looked like Tidus from [[Final Fantasy X]] and Ganondorf looked just retarded. I was actually glad that ''The Wind Waker'' looked different from that. Also, [[Twilight Princess]] looks a whole lot better as well.
** Regarding the trailer. Anyone else notice that Link had the [[Yu-Gi-Oh!: The Abridged Series|* EFF!* ]]ing Hero's Shield from ''Majora's Mask''? This troper was like "WTF?" when he noticed it.
** It looks like a remake if anything. It's about as much of a game as [[Pokémon (anime)|Meowth's Party]], which was a tech demo.
== In ''Link's Awakening'', the disembodied voice after beating a dungeon is the Wind Fish itself ==
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*** But WW Fado was also a Sage.
** How is she still a kid though? A ghost?
*** She's still the wind sage.
== Wind Waker Link and Zelda are older than they look ==
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== [[Freud Was Right]] about this whole series ==
* Let's take a look at the plotline of the more recent main-series games. You start out with a kinda-wimpy sword, you explore three caves (!) to get a better (and occasionally bigger) sword, sometimes there's a complicated sidequest to get an even bigger and stronger sword than that, you go and explore more caves with your bigger swords, your final battle is with a tall, dark-skinned, extremely masculine [[Badass]] who either has the biggest sword in the game, or in [[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|The Wind Waker]], two swords, in order to "save" and thus obtain the most desirable woman in the game. In a Freudian sense, it's about Link overcoming his insecurity about his [[Bishounen|effeminate]] [[Dude Looks Like a Lady|appearance]] by proving that he's at least as much of a "man" as his more masculine rival Ganondorf by "exploring caves" with his "sword".
== The games are [[All Just a Dream]] ==
* Specifically, Link's dreams. Link is a nerdy high school student who dreams in [[Medieval European Fantasy]]. In his sleep, he transforms from a nerd into the Hero of Time, football team captain Ganondorf becomes the King of Evil, the rest of the jocks become [[Mooks|Moblins/Bulblins]] for being bullies, and Ganondorf's cheerleader girlfriend (after whom Link lusts) is "Princess" Zelda. Link hears rumors that Ganondorf is an abusive boyfriend to Zelda, which is reflected in the pig transformation. The other characters are based off of Link's friends, classmates, and family.
** ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Wind Waker]]'' took place when Zelda hit puberty and became hysterical, which destoried his [[Princess Classic]] view of her. [[Twilight Princess]] was when she finally found her balance again, but another female friend (Midna) temporaly became a bitch because of familary problems. [[Spirit Tracks]] is him asking Zelda out and her putting him down for still being a nerd after all those years, he should finally decide what he wants to do in his life.
** Let's take this a bit farther and plot Link's life from Ocarina of Time up to Spirit Tracks.
*** Ocarina of Time is dreamed when he's just a kid, entering puberty and middle school. Ganondorf is a few years older than he and Zelda are, and he's a big man on campus. Saria is Link's childhood friend, but she's about to move away. Nabooru is an older woman who keeps flirting with Link, so Link is confused. He's a big fan of high fantasy, heroic fantasy, whatever.
*** Majora's Mask is a follow-up, Link dealing with other issues that he didn't consider while lusting over Zelda. Note how the Master Sword, a symbol of his undying hatred for Ganondorf, is nowhere to be found. Some of it may be inspired by him doing required community service hours for a church, school, or youth group event. The falling moon symbolizes his fear of the world he enters after the event. Hey, it may even be the transition to high school! Termina is a separate world from Hyrule because Link is, for the moment, not concerned with the Ganondorf/Zelda thing that defines Hyrule.
*** The Wind Waker takes place a few years later, probably during Link's freshman year in high school, after Link's sister Aryll starts hanging around with an older man, and a jock at that. Turns out this jock is a prankster who plays a mean trick on the girl. Aryll actually isn't that much younger than her older brother, but he still considers himself her protector, and she is thus rendered a helpless child in his dreams. He dreams about beating the jock (a jumper for the track team, perhaps, given that he is a bird in-dream), and oh look, there's my old Master Sword, Ganondorf is taking Zelda to his senior prom, let's beat up that damn football player who is somehow still dating (and according to rumors, abusing) Zelda! Ganondorf soon graduates from high school, hence Link thinks he'll never need the Master Sword again and leaves it in Ganondorf's head. All taking place in Link's newest obsession, pirates and sea travel!
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== The sleeping Zelda from Zelda 2 is from one of the other timelines ==
It's supposedly the same Link in this game, but where did this sleeping Zelda come from? This troper suspects the timelines merged at some point, but somehow, this Zelda who was taking a centuries long dirt nap was missed in the shuffle. Impa (who may or may not also be from another timeline) learned about, and went to Link since saving Princesses is what he's good at. Link kicks some ass, wakes her up, and now......there are two Princess Zelda's. OH CRAP!!
** As follower of the Reincarnation-theory, I prefer to think that the last game's Princess Zelda [[Sudden Sequel Death Syndrome|died]] shortly before this game and that awakening the original one was only possible, because the body wasn't an empty shell at the time.
** Actually, that makes a hell of a lot more sense. But it also seems a bit cold. One Zelda dies so they just wake up the spare. It really sucks to be her sometimes.
** Original theory is supported by the fact that the ending theme of Zelda 2, when you wake Zelda up. Every game after it uses Zelda's Lullaby as Zelda's theme, with one exception: The Minish Cap, which used the credits music from The Adventure of Link. Considering that this game is often considered to be the first in the series, well....
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== The abundance of [[Nightmare Fuel]] ([[The Legend of Zelda/Nightmare Fuel|so much that it needs its own page on this wiki]]) was a ploy to get adults to play. ==
Lots of kids can’t stand [[Nightmare Fuel]]. Solution in kid logic? Ask Mom or Dad or another older person you know well (like, say, your teenage sibling) to get you through the scary part because they’re the bravest person you know! At least that part is known to have happened. But what if someone at Nintendo had made it that way intentionally? Now that would be clever....
** I am, in fact, sure that this is the case. That's also how they ''got'' my father to play Super Mario 64 after all.
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* Who says they need to be alive...?
** Who says they're not alive in the first place but just in hiding because of they're low numbers?
* Hmm...that is true. So then, the [[
== Vaati is Shadow/Dark Link ==
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== ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword|The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword]]'' sees the Timelines Merging again and leads into the first two games of the series. ==
It uses [[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Cel Shaded Grafics]] and an [[Twilight Princess|Adult Link with a detailed design and realistic proportions]]. 'Nuff said.
** Jossed, it's set around the creation of the Master Sword and thus not involved in the whole Split-Timeline Business.(Wow, it's sure rare for the Original Poster to joss their own WMG.)
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== Niko might be the closest thing to the games' next [[Legacy Character]]. ==
Maybe on a future game we'll meet his descendant (or even his distant ancestor in [[Skyward Sword]]) and Nintendo won't mess him up like Tingle.
* Well, footage starring Beedle the Skytown shopkeeper has surfaced, so it's not out of the question.
== tWW's Fado was the "Kokiri who left the forest and is still alive" that that one Gossip Stone spoke of. ==
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== The series is a retelling of the 'Struggle between Summer and Winter' myth ==
Link has to fight Ganon to rescue Zelda and save Hyrule in pretty much every game. Ganon is a giant boar, which is the form the winter god is traditionally supposed to take. Link is dressed in green, which is associated with nature and rebirth. They both fight for Hyrule, Link to protect it, and Ganon to take it over. Zelda is the
princess of Hyrule, and whoever wins effectively has her at his mercy, mirroring the fights between ancient summer and winter gods for the hand of the Earth Maiden.
* Supporting this, Ganondorf froze over part of the world in ''Ocarina of Time.''
== The WW Fado is a reincarnation of the Fado of OOT ==
Same name, same hair color, and there was evidence she was supposed to be a wind sage. He is her reincarnated and is living her prophecy of being a sage.
== Twinrova was brainwashed into being evil ==
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It's speculated their siblings but maybe they were born at the same time?
== A future game will reveal someone named Kasuto (?), and Fado, as sages ==
They've hinted at them being sages and it's too good a plot point to miss out especially in the WW timeline. I'm betting on reincarnations but flashbacks or even a OOT era game would be nice. Thumbs up if it reveals why Mido has a town named after him.
== Fado dies around the 7 year period ==
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== Fado will be given a bigger role in OOT 3DS ==
Maybe references to her wind sage status, giving her a bigger part then just dialogue and giving you a saw, giving her almost all of her original scenes minus wind sage ones, making her the wind sage, etc.
* Except OoT Fado is different from Fado the Wind Sage. Wind Waker Fado is male. Sorry.
** Fado was [[Dummied Out|meant]] to be the wind sage in Ocarina Of Time, that's what I meant.
== Most Links, while they can speak, greatly prefers telepathy. ==
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== Fado in Ocarina of Time is the same Fado as the one in Wind Waker ==
Fado is said to have been a relative of Saria in WW, but he must have been born a while after her death. Plus the only Kokori with his name was the blond girl, ''Fado''. Fado was meant to be the wind sage, Fado is a blond [[Creepy Child]] in a similar way her WW incarnation is, etc. Either that or he's a closely related reincarnation of her.
** Alternativly, he's both a descendant of Saria and Fado.
== The Ocarina of Time remake will be quite different from the original in more then a few elements ==
Take a look at the ''[[Pokémon]]'' remakes for example. [[Word of God]] is that this won't be a simple rehash of OoT for the 3DS either. I'm expecting the [[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|two unknown sages]] to be revealed.
* Unknown sages? I thought Fado and Laruto ''were'' the sages from that time.
** Laruto? You're thinking of Wind Waker, unless they introduce a Laruto in OoT.
*** No, what I mean is, I thought Laruto and Fado were the sages circa OoT, then they died later on, then Medli and Makar become the sages during Wind Waker.
*** Wrong Fado. We're talking about the Kokori ''girl''.
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== Zelda and Link are siblings in Ocarina of Time ==
Or at least related. I know I'm going to get [[Gannon Banned]] for this, but it's a perfectly reasonable thought.
== The true meaning of "23 is number 1!" ==
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** No, it's better than that. Miyamoto is a devilish being on par with Satan and they're competing for souls. And in spite of the two thousand year headstart Satan has, I'm pretty sure right now Miyamoto's winning.
== In Spirit Tracks, Link was a part of a massive [[Counterfeit Cash|money laundering]] scam along with Alfonzo ==
The Whole "engineer" thing was a clever smokescreen to cover said scam. Link and Alfonzo used grass clippings and broken pottery to fabricate fake rupees which were indistinguishable from real ones. This is how they were able to cover the cost of the free transport and passenger services. Link only got caught up in the whole "saving the world" thing by accident. Also free treasures as well.
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Look at the [http://www.johnstuart.biz/HOJOCOLORRGT.jpg Hojo family crest]--clearly the ancient tales left an impression on somebody.
== LttP is the end of the Adult Timeline. ==
In Wind Waker, Ganondorf summons the Triforce into that timeline, removing it from the child timeline, conveniently at the end of Twilight Princess. The reason Link is a bunny instead of a wolf is because he's the reincarnation of a different Link. Presumably, this means that Ganon is defeated for good in TP.
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More likely, though, they didn't wait at all. Nayru's the Oracle of Ages, and short of divine will and time paradoxes (and possibly not even those if she just doesn't care), there's nothing stopping her from taking Ralph and visiting a future where they've hooked up and had children, or bringing the children to their time, or even taking the whole family to a time period where none of them belong in. It'd explain the unrecognizable town they're in, anyway. It's possible that this sort of thing happens often enough for the kids not to bat an eye at it. Granted, time paradoxes might still occur -- what if they learn their firstborn is named Bob and, at his birth, call him Charlie instead? -- but again, the game's pretty weird with time to begin with, between Bipin's son and the construction of the Black Tower.
== A future Zelda game will have two Zelda's, twins; one will grow up as Sheik ==.
[[Half-Identical Twins]], maybe? [[It Was His Sled]] that Sheik and Zelda are one person, so why not twist it?
* [[Broken Base|No]].
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Then Dark Link. The dude never actively seeks Link out. He only does so on Ganon's orders, and in the 4SA manga, he wasn't evil, just mislead. Who's willing to bet that if you tore off his shirt that there would be a Heartless symbol where his heart was?
* Dark Link has red eyes, Heartless have yellow eyes.
** Oh come on. He could be his own type of Heartless.
* Something to think about; The red eyes are only part of one version. Version 2 is completely black. Version 3 has the same eyes as Link's, which are EVER SO slightly yellow. Plus, it's possible he could be disguising his true form...
* Are you implying Vanitas? Glad I'm not the only person who noticed. -[[Zelda Hearts 1337]]
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== Link is NOT a [[Heroic Mime]], but his words are never heard to avert [[Parrot Exposition]] ==
As far back as [[Oo T]], people in the world have been known to respond to Link as though he had been talking to them. In fact, Link ''does'' talk, but nothing he says is anything we don't already know, so the developers don't include his words in order to avert [[Parrot Exposition]].
* I'm playing Skyward Sword right now, and in a cutscene where Link is talking to Zelda's father, he moves his hands the way some people use gestures to help explain things. And then when the camera angle shifts, it's blatantly obvious that Link's lips are moving. I'd say this is pretty confirmed.
** Pretty much, considering the same thing happens when he explains his adventure to Groose.
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== The next major game after Skyward Sword will take place between Skyward Sword and Minish Cap ==
If you look at [http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/zelda_timeline_thumb.jpg the official timeline], there are three historical eras (the Sky Era, the Era of Chaos, and the Era of Prosperity) between Skyward Sword and Minish Cap. This, particularly the "Era of Chaos" noted as being the time when the Sacred Realm was sealed away, seems rather noteworthy and unusual that it is on the list without a game of its own...
* It follows that this game will be about the end of the Era of Chaos, with the sealing of the Sacred Realm and the founding of the Kingdom of Hyrule - possibly even the rise of the Sages.
* There would be one question though- would this center around the second use of the Master Sword, as hinted at by the Sealing of the Sacred Realm (to which the Master Sword is part of the lock), or would it center around the Picori Blade, as hinted by said blade's cultural prominence in the set-comparatively-shortly-thereafter Minish Cap?
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*** The Zoras, on the other hand, despite being highly adapted to aquatic environments, weren’t so lucky. Although they seem at home in the water with their fins and gills, their humanoid bodies imply that they aren’t meant to be in the water ''all'' the time.
**** In real life, most fish are meant to be in either saltwater or freshwater; only a few, like bull sharks, can swim and breathe in both. Some of the Zoras, by praying to the Goddess Nayru, were able to adapt quickly to the saltwater environment, and settled on Greatfish Isle {{spoiler|until it was destroyed and they all disappeared}}. To thank Her, they created Nayru’s Pearl, which housed some of power of the Goddess Herself. They also hatched, nurtured and raised Lord Jabun, the offspring of the demi-god Lord Jabu-Jabu, to watch over them as the new living Water Spirit.
**** The other Zoras travelled north to the top of Death Mountain, and turned to the Goddess Din for aid. In answer to their prayers, She gave them avian features (beaks, feathers, wings) to protect them from the scorching heat, and entrusted a dragon egg to them. This egg held the single surviving offspring of the dragon Volvagia, who was slain by the Hero of Time. When the egg hatched, Din deemed the newborn dragon to be Lord Valoo, the living Sky Spirit. The Zoras, no longer being Zoras, began to call themselves Ritos, in memory of Ruto, the Princess (and later Queen) of the Zoras in ancient times.
***** Although the Ritos had wings, their wings were not big or strong enough to enable flight. So Din instructed Valoo to give each adult Rito one of his scales (which grew back easily). These scales triggered a magical “growth spurt” that caused a Rito’s wings to grow big enough to allow flight. Eventually, it became customary for young Ritos to visit Valoo and receive their wings when they came of age. To thank the Goddess for Her kindness, the Ritos created Din’s Pearl, which housed some of the power of the Goddess Herself.
* Kokiri Village & The Lost Woods = The Forest Haven & The Forbidden Woods
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