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{{quote|''"Any time there's a crossover in, say, [[Comic Books]] there's a risk that one team or hero will overshadow the other, questioning the competence or effectiveness of the other."''|'''Linkara''', ''[[History of Power Rangers|History of Power Rangers Lost Galaxy]]''}}
{{quote|''"Any time there's a crossover in, say, [[Comic Books]] there's a risk that one team or hero will overshadow the other, questioning the competence or effectiveness of the other."''
|'''Linkara''', ''[[History of Power Rangers|History of Power Rangers Lost Galaxy]]''}}


Who doesn't love [[Crossover|character team-ups]]? Be it in comic books, cartoons, literature, TV or other media, putting two heroes (or villains!) together can make for exciting stories. However, care should go into this "matchmaking", since not every team up is thematically appropriate or compatible power-wise. If the creative teams go ahead with the team up anyway (the pull of [[Wolverine Publicity]] and [[Money, Dear Boy]] are ''strong''), the result is a Story Breaker Team-Up.
Who doesn't love [[Crossover|character team-ups]]? Be it in comic books, cartoons, literature, TV or other media, putting two heroes (or villains!) together can make for exciting stories. However, care should go into this "matchmaking", since not every team up is thematically appropriate or compatible power-wise. If the creative teams go ahead with the team up anyway (the pull of [[Wolverine Publicity]] and [[Money, Dear Boy]] are ''strong''), the result is a Story Breaker Team-Up.
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== [[Comic Books]] ==

== Comic Books ==
* Whenever [[Superman]] is involved in a crossover, he has to be weakened or somehow disabled for the plot to work.
* Whenever [[Superman]] is involved in a crossover, he has to be weakened or somehow disabled for the plot to work.
** Actually there have been plenty of good Superman team-ups, mostly in his own crossover series ''[[DC Comics Presents]]''. The best ones simply [[Plot Tailored to the Party|gave the guest stars something to do in the story that Superman could not do]]. Though the trope did apply in some cases.
** Actually there have been plenty of good Superman team-ups, mostly in his own crossover series ''[[DC Comics Presents]]''. The best ones simply [[Plot Tailored to the Party|gave the guest stars something to do in the story that Superman could not do]]. Though the trope did apply in some cases.
** ''[[Superman]]''/''[[Batman]]'' can be considered a case study in successfully teaming up very different heroes. Both are on equal grounds, and they face challenges each can contribute to solving, making a team far more effective than the sum of its parts.
** ''[[Superman]]''/''[[Batman]]'' can be considered a case study in successfully teaming up very different heroes. Both are on equal grounds, and they face challenges each can contribute to solving, making a team far more effective than the sum of its parts.
** In his second intercompany crossover with [[Spider-Man]], Spidey saves the day with his Spider-Sense (while Supes is busy holding a massive explosive gizmo together with his bare hands).
** In his second intercompany crossover with [[Spider-Man]], Spidey saves the day with his Spider-Sense (while Supes is busy holding a massive explosive gizmo together with his bare hands).
** [http://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/stupidcomics41.html There was also the time he met the Quik Bunny.]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20060409001039/http://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/stupidcomics41.html There was also the time he met the Quik Bunny.]
* Yes, the above ''[[Archie]] meets [[The Punisher]]'' cover is real. But it's probably easy to guess that it was mostly [[Played for Laughs]]. Somehow, It's [[Better Than It Sounds]].
* Yes, the above ''[[Archie]] meets [[The Punisher]]'' cover is real. But it's probably easy to guess that it was mostly [[Played for Laughs]]. Somehow, It's [[Better Than It Sounds]].
* Likewise, ''Eminem/Punisher''. [http://comics.ign.com/articles/979/979917p1.html Yes], [[Eminem]].
* Likewise, ''Eminem/Punisher''. [http://comics.ign.com/articles/979/979917p1.html Yes], [[Eminem]].
* A comic book actually featured a character from ''[[The Guiding Light]]'' who had become a superhero, team up with [[Spider-Man]] and ''[[Iron Man]]'', inspired by an episode where she gained [[How Unscientific|superpowers from an accident involving Halloween decorations.]]
* A comic book actually featured a character from ''[[The Guiding Light]]'' who had become a superhero, team up with [[Spider-Man]] and ''[[Iron Man]]'', inspired by an episode where she gained [[How Unscientific|superpowers from an accident involving Halloween decorations.]]


== [[Fan Works]] ==

== Fan Fiction ==
* Various ''[[Gundam Seed]]'' and ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam 00]]'' crossover has this as PLAGUE, considering the later's incarnation of eponymous Gundams is plain [[Game Breaker]] compared to the former. Common joke amongst those crossovers are Setsuna complaining that G-Project unit doesn't deserve the title of Gundam.
* Various ''[[Gundam Seed]]'' and ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam 00]]'' crossover has this as PLAGUE, considering the later's incarnation of eponymous Gundams is plain [[Game Breaker]] compared to the former. Common joke amongst those crossovers are Setsuna complaining that G-Project unit doesn't deserve the title of Gundam.
* A few ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' fanfics make jokes about how ''[[Dragon Ball]]'' characters take out the angels with ease.
* A few ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' fanfics make jokes about how ''[[Dragon Ball]]'' characters take out the angels with ease.
** This is actually very common in [[Dragon Ball]] crossover fics. While the [[Dragon Ball]] universe is not the most powerful by any means, many inexperienced fanfic writers would cross it over with fiction that was ''significently'' weaker. This was most common in the nineties, as the really well-known animes ([[Ranma ½]], [[Sailor Moon]], [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]) were leagues beneath the [[Dragon Ball]] universe, while universes that could compete with or even ''dominate'' [[Dragon Ball]] ([[Tenchi Muyo!]], [[Saint Seiya]], [[Marvel Comics]]) were unknown or underutilised.
** This is actually very common in ''[[Dragon Ball]]'' crossover fics. While the [[Dragon Ball]] universe is not the most powerful by any means, many inexperienced fanfic writers would cross it over with fiction that was ''significantly'' weaker. This was most common in the nineties, as the really well-known animes (''[[Ranma ½]], [[Sailor Moon]], [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'') were leagues beneath the ''[[Dragon Ball]]'' universe, while universes that could compete with or even ''dominate'' ''[[Dragon Ball]] ([[Tenchi Muyo!]], [[Saint Seiya]], [[Marvel Comics]]'') were unknown or underutilised.
*** On a similar note is an old DBZ fanfic where the Briefs family is targeted by a serial killer. Yes, a normal human serial killer. It's not BAD, but the author would need enough [[Hand Wave|handwaves]] to fly to get it to work fully, and he only does several.
*** On a similar note is an old ''DBZ'' fanfic where the Briefs family is targeted by a serial killer. Yes, a normal human serial killer. It's not ''bad'', but the author would need enough [[Hand Wave|handwaves]] to fly to get it to work fully, and he only does several.
* The ''[[Pretty Cure Fan Fic Features]]'', due to crossing over a ''ton'' of stories on varying points of the Scale, tend to do this. If ''[[Pretty Cure Perfume Preppy|Perfume Preppy]]'' is in a feature with a bunch of casts from series that are as child-friendly as [[Pretty Cure|the source material]], no mention will be made of its various [[Family-Unfriendly Death|Family Unfriendly Deaths]] and rather disgusting moments like {{spoiler|Ashley's cannibalistic mass murder spree}}. If ''[[Pretty Cure Heavy Metal|Heavy Metal]]'' is in there too, since it's even less child-friendly, the other fics in the pile will be made [[Darker and Edgier]].
* The ''[[Pretty Cure Fan Fic Features]]'', due to crossing over a ''ton'' of stories on varying points of the Scale, tend to do this. If ''[[Pretty Cure Perfume Preppy|Perfume Preppy]]'' is in a feature with a bunch of casts from series that are as child-friendly as [[Pretty Cure|the source material]], no mention will be made of its various [[Family-Unfriendly Death|Family Unfriendly Deaths]] and rather disgusting moments like {{spoiler|Ashley's cannibalistic mass murder spree}}. If ''[[Pretty Cure Heavy Metal|Heavy Metal]]'' is in there too, since it's even less child-friendly, the other fics in the pile will be made [[Darker and Edgier]].
** Other commonalities have to be made to make stories fit in, too. ''[[Futari wa Pretty Cure Blue Moon|Blue Moon]]'' features a two-Cure team who are part of a [[Five-Man Band]] with their [[Secret Keeper]]s, and also a [[Dark Magical Girl]] who plays a less major role: most other stories relegate all [[Muggles]] to the position of [[Those Two Guys]] and make the [[Dark Magical Girl]] super-important. Crossovers with ''Blue Moon'' thus remove Hoshi, Yukari and Mia entirely while playing up the role of {{spoiler|Emiru}}.
** Other commonalities have to be made to make stories fit in, too. ''[[Futari wa Pretty Cure Blue Moon|Blue Moon]]'' features a two-Cure team who are part of a [[Five-Man Band]] with their [[Secret Keeper]]s, and also a [[Dark Magical Girl]] who plays a less major role: most other stories relegate all [[Muggles]] to the position of [[Those Two Guys]] and make the [[Dark Magical Girl]] super-important. Crossovers with ''Blue Moon'' thus remove Hoshi, Yukari and Mia entirely while playing up the role of {{spoiler|Emiru}}.
* ''[[A Dark Knight Over Sin City]]'' has a mild example. [[Batman]] and his rogues operate on a slightly different level than the [[Sin City]] characters. The [[Anti-Hero|anti-heroes]] and villains in Sin City still serve important roles in the plot but when it comes to, say, explaining Scarecrow's weapons or Joker's toxin, they resort to [[Buffy-Speak]].
* ''[[A Dark Knight Over Sin City]]'' has a mild example. [[Batman]] and his rogues operate on a slightly different level than the [[Sin City]] characters. The [[Anti-Hero|anti-heroes]] and villains in Sin City still serve important roles in the plot but when it comes to, say, explaining Scarecrow's weapons or Joker's toxin, they resort to [[Buffy-Speak]].
* While on it, between 2003 and 2007 there were many crossovers between [[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]] and [[Harry Potter]]. While many of them were very well written, they were extremely prone to this trope, in both directions: If early seasons of BTVS were depicted, then a team of one physical fighter (Buffy), one slow (and then weak) witch (Willow) and two [[Badass Normal]]'s (Giles/Xander) could not realy make a difference against all Death Eaters, with their apparation, direct magic etc. By contrast, if BTVS was depicted post S7, then there was the simple fact that all Death Eaters combined could not match the power of Willow, not even taking hundreds of slayers, Giles, and rest into account.
* While on it, between 2003 and 2007 there were many crossovers between ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' and ''[[Harry Potter]]''. While many of them were very well written, they were extremely prone to this trope, in both directions: If early seasons of ''BTVS'' were depicted, then a team of one physical fighter (Buffy), one slow (and then weak) witch (Willow) and two [[Badass Normal]]s (Giles/Xander) could not really make a difference against all Death Eaters, with their apparition, direct magic etc. By contrast, if ''BTVS'' was depicted post S7, then there was the simple fact that all Death Eaters combined could not match the power of Willow, not even taking hundreds of slayers, Giles, and rest into account.


== [[Live-Action TV]] ==

== Live Action TV ==
* Jack Black on ''[[Community]]'', as a parody of ''[[Remember the New Guy?]]'', turned into this. He upsets the group dynamic with his weird schtick eventually forcing Jeff to drag him out of the Study Room kicking and screaming.
* Jack Black on ''[[Community]]'', as a parody of ''[[Remember the New Guy?]]'', turned into this. He upsets the group dynamic with his weird schtick eventually forcing Jeff to drag him out of the Study Room kicking and screaming.
* The ''[[Samurai Sentai Shinkenger]]'' story arc of ''[[Kamen Rider Decade]]''. Since [[Kamen Rider]]s do not deal with giant monsters on a regular basis whereas ''[[Super Sentai]]'' does and the crossover occurs in a ''Kamen Rider'' show, the arc was written to feature an original [[Monster of the Week]] who became an anomaly of sorts thanks to the intrusion of ''Decade'''s cast and thus could not [[Make My Monster Grow|grow]] unlike his brethren.
* The ''[[Samurai Sentai Shinkenger]]'' story arc of ''[[Kamen Rider Decade]]''. Since [[Kamen Rider]]s do not deal with giant monsters on a regular basis whereas ''[[Super Sentai]]'' does and the crossover occurs in a ''Kamen Rider'' show, the arc was written to feature an original [[Monster of the Week]] who became an anomaly of sorts thanks to the intrusion of ''Decade'''s cast and thus could not [[Make My Monster Grow|grow]] unlike his brethren.
* Parodied on an episode of ''[[That Mitchell and Webb Look]]'', with the superhero team of BMX Bandit and Angel Summoner. BMX Bandit can ride a BMX ''really'' well, while Angel Summoner can summon and control a horde of invisible celestial superbeings. [[Sarcasm Mode|Oddly]], BMX Bandit feels he doesn't add much to the team.
* Parodied on an episode of ''[[That Mitchell and Webb Look]]'', with the superhero team of BMX Bandit and Angel Summoner. BMX Bandit can ride a BMX ''really'' well, while Angel Summoner can summon and control a horde of invisible celestial superbeings. [[Sarcasm Mode|Oddly]], BMX Bandit feels he doesn't add much to the team.



== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
* The players can cause this in any given table role playing game, almost all of which begin with a team-up of brand new characters. The GM can deal with conflicting power levels by enforcing balance. The players may come to the table with different assumptions about what the genre's conventions are. They may play characters with vastly different ethical stances that simply can't reconcile. They may come with vastly different levels of knowledge of the rules of the game and different tolerances for bending those rules. They may be the only [[The Real Loonie|Loony]] in a group which quickly tires of their antics or the only [[The Real Man|Real Man]] when everyone else is in deep immersion gaming. Preventing these differences both in and out of character from becoming a Story-Breaker Team-Up is important for making sure everyone has fun. The obvious example is from [[Dungeons and Dragons]], with its infamous trope-naming [[Lawful Stupid]], [[Chaotic Stupid]], and [[Stupid Evil]] characters.
* The players can cause this in any given table role playing game, almost all of which begin with a team-up of brand new characters. The GM can deal with conflicting power levels by enforcing balance. The players may come to the table with different assumptions about what the genre's conventions are. They may play characters with vastly different ethical stances that simply can't reconcile. They may come with vastly different levels of knowledge of the rules of the game and different tolerances for bending those rules. They may be the only [[The Real Loonie|Loony]] in a group which quickly tires of their antics or the only [[The Real Man|Real Man]] when everyone else is in deep immersion gaming. Preventing these differences both in and out of character from becoming a Story-Breaker Team-Up is important for making sure everyone has fun. The obvious example is from [[Dungeons and Dragons]], with its infamous trope-naming [[Lawful Stupid]], [[Chaotic Stupid]], and [[Stupid Evil]] characters.


== [[Video Games]] ==

* ''[[Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe]]'' solves this in one sense while being disadvantaged by it in another. The difference in powers between [[Mortal Kombat]] and [[DCU]] characters is explained by mentioning that the universe merging directly affects the abilities of everyone involved, as well as spreading a [[Hate Plague]] in order for [[Let's You and Him Fight]] to ensue. However, DC's treatment of their intellectual properties meant that the ''Mortal Kombat'' side had to temporarily lose [[Rated "M" for Money|its extreme blood and gore]]... which, unfortunately for that series, is its entire selling point, period.
== Video Games ==
* ''[[Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe]]'' solves this in one sense while being disadvantaged by it in another. The difference in powers between [[Mortal Kombat]] and [[DCU]] characters is explained by mentioning that the universe merging directly affects the abilities of everyone involve, as well as spreading a [[Hate Plague]] in order for [[Let's You and Him Fight]] to ensue. However, DC's treatment of their intellectual properties meant that the ''Mortal Kombat'' side had to temporarily lose [[Rated "M" for Money|its extreme blood and gore]]... which, unfortunately for that series, is its entire selling point, period.
* To a minor extent, ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]. Brawl'' and [[Metal Gear|Snake]]. An M-rated character battles heroes who are perfectly OK for the entire family? Wave goodbye to his realistic firearms. He gets to keep explosive arms, though.
* To a minor extent, ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]. Brawl'' and [[Metal Gear|Snake]]. An M-rated character battles heroes who are perfectly OK for the entire family? Wave goodbye to his realistic firearms. He gets to keep explosive arms, though.
** Samus is a sci-fi bounty hunter in [[Power Armor]] with an [[Arm Cannon]]. Ness has a bat. Snake doesn't get anything that is too far removed from real world arms. Jigglypuff makes do with cuteness. Link has a sword and a bow. Respectively, they come from dystopian [[Space Opera]], comedic [[Cosmic Horror]], action-espionage [[Magical Realism]], whatever genre Pokemon is, and [[High Fantasy]]. The whole game is a Story-Breaker Team-Up forgiven on [[Rule of Cool]], [[Rule of Fun]], and the [[Nostalgia Filter]].
** Samus is a sci-fi bounty hunter in [[Power Armor]] with an [[Arm Cannon]]. Ness has a bat. Snake doesn't get anything that is too far removed from real world arms. Jigglypuff makes do with cuteness. Link has a sword and a bow. Respectively, they come from dystopian [[Space Opera]], comedic [[Cosmic Horror]], action-espionage [[Magical Realism]], whatever genre Pokemon is, and [[High Fantasy]]. The whole game is a Story-Breaker Team-Up forgiven on [[Rule of Cool]], [[Rule of Fun]], and the [[Nostalgia Filter]].
* While Banpresto usually handles this trope quite well, ''[[Super Robot Wars]]'' has had a few offenders in the past. What immediately comes to mind is ''[[Super Robot Wars Judgment]]'', where the plot of ''[[Gundam Seed]]'' is handled the exact same way despite the crossover drastically altering the circumstances. The most [[Egregious]] case is {{spoiler|Mu La Flaga's [[Heroic Sacrifice]]}}, even though the various [[Super Robot]]s in the player's group could have ''easily'' {{spoiler|tanked the positron cannon}}.
* While Banpresto usually handles this trope quite well, ''[[Super Robot Wars]]'' has had a few offenders in the past. What immediately comes to mind is ''[[Super Robot Wars Judgment]]'', where the plot of ''[[Gundam Seed]]'' is handled the exact same way despite the crossover drastically altering the circumstances. The most [[Egregious]] case is {{spoiler|Mu La Flaga's [[Heroic Sacrifice]]}}, even though the various [[Super Robot]]s in the player's group could have ''easily'' {{spoiler|tanked the positron cannon}}.
** The first appearances of a series tend to stick closer to canon. Later ones get more wiggling room. Compare ''SEED'''s appearance in ''[[Super Robot Wars W]]'': {{spoiler|Mu lives. And so do a lot of other ''SEED'' characters}}.
** The first appearances of a series tend to stick closer to canon. Later ones get more wiggling room. Compare ''SEED'''s appearance in ''[[Super Robot Wars W]]'': {{spoiler|Mu lives. And so do a lot of other ''SEED'' characters}}.



== [[Web Comics]] ==
== [[Web Comics]] ==
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''Superman'': The plan is that I will solve everything, by myself, because I'm an invincible, immortal alien with unlimited power. If there's anything bad, I'll just pick it up and throw it into the sun. }}
''Superman'': The plan is that I will solve everything, by myself, because I'm an invincible, immortal alien with unlimited power. If there's anything bad, I'll just pick it up and throw it into the sun. }}


== [[Web Original]] ==

== Web Original ==
* ''Pooh's Adventures'' runs on this trope. The main character, [[Winnie the Pooh]], crosses over with people like [[Batman]], the ''[[Ghostbusters]]'', the ''[[Gargoyles]]'', and many others dipping into either a very high [[Super Weight]] (even for a stuffed animal) or the [[Darker and Edgier|darkest part of town]], or even both. Then there's the allies Pooh has, although not a lot of them could affect the plot, some ''do'' with just a few super powers.
* ''Pooh's Adventures'' runs on this trope. The main character, [[Winnie the Pooh]], crosses over with people like [[Batman]], the ''[[Ghostbusters]]'', the ''[[Gargoyles]]'', and many others dipping into either a very high [[Super Weight]] (even for a stuffed animal) or the [[Darker and Edgier|darkest part of town]], or even both. Then there's the allies Pooh has, although not a lot of them could affect the plot, some ''do'' with just a few super powers.
* The animations [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FywMOuMqNuI "The Dark Knight Meets Superman"] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeT1t0lQn5Q&feature=fvwrel "The Dark Knight Meets Superman Part 2"] do this intentionally for parody. First [[Superman]] visits Gotham City during the events of ''[[The Dark Knight]]''. "Hey, bat-bro, I hope it's not a big deal, but while you were talking there, I went ahead and stopped crime. Like, all of it." Then this version of Batman stands in for Superman in Metropolis alongside the [[Justice League]]. It doesn't go that well.
* The animations [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FywMOuMqNuI "The Dark Knight Meets Superman"] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeT1t0lQn5Q&feature=fvwrel "The Dark Knight Meets Superman Part 2"] do this intentionally for parody. First [[Superman]] visits Gotham City during the events of ''[[The Dark Knight]]''. "Hey, bat-bro, I hope it's not a big deal, but while you were talking there, I went ahead and stopped crime. Like, all of it." Then this version of Batman stands in for Superman in Metropolis alongside the [[Justice League]]. It doesn't go that well.


== [[Western Animation]] ==

== Western Animation ==
* One episode of ''[[Batman: The Brave And The Bold|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]'' had this trope inverted, Batman is transported to 1880s England, where he "teams up" with [[Sherlock Holmes]] and outclasses him in most ways. While Sherlock is no slouch (and discovers and reaches the villain's hideout before Batman), Batman fights better, can make [[Bat Deduction]]s with less information, and can handle the clearly supernatural Gentleman Ghost while Holmes is made a victim.
* One episode of ''[[Batman: The Brave And The Bold|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]'' had this trope inverted, Batman is transported to 1880s England, where he "teams up" with [[Sherlock Holmes]] and outclasses him in most ways. While Sherlock is no slouch (and discovers and reaches the villain's hideout before Batman), Batman fights better, can make [[Bat Deduction]]s with less information, and can handle the clearly supernatural Gentleman Ghost while Holmes is made a victim.
** Although the fact that Holmes beat Batman at anything [[Fridge Brilliance|speaks volumes,]] as Batman has both more experience with supernatural phenomena, and information, knowledge and training from over a century ahead of Sherlock's time.
** Although the fact that Holmes beat Batman at anything [[Fridge Brilliance|speaks volumes,]] as Batman has both more experience with supernatural phenomena, and information, knowledge and training from over a century ahead of Sherlock's time.
** And again with "The Super-Batman of Planet X!", where Batman is stranded on a strange, alien planet and teams up with the local near-identical Batman to foil crime. Then it turns out that thanks to the planet's atmosphere Batman becomes a [[Flying Brick]], much to the local Batman-X's chagrin. That is, until the [[Kryptonite Is Everywhere|commonly occurring]] mineral ''[[Weaksauce Weakness|Quartz]]'' renders him worse than powerless and allows Batman-X to save the day.
** And again with "The Super-Batman of Planet X!", where Batman is stranded on a strange, alien planet and teams up with the local near-identical Batman to foil crime. Then it turns out that thanks to the planet's atmosphere Batman becomes a [[Flying Brick]], much to the local Batman-X's chagrin. That is, until the [[Kryptonite Is Everywhere|commonly occurring]] mineral ''[[Weaksauce Weakness|Quartz]]'' renders him worse than powerless and allows Batman-X to save the day.
* ''The New [[Scooby Doo]] Movies'' in which Mystery, Inc. teamed with people like [[Batman]], [[The Addams Family]] and [[The Three Stooges]].
* ''[[Scooby-Doo|The New Scooby-Doo Movies]]'' in which Mystery, Inc. teamed with people like [[Batman]], [[The Addams Family]] and [[The Three Stooges]].
* ''[[Batman: The Brave And The Bold|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]'' had a crossover with ''[[Scooby Doo]]'' that managed to fix the story breaker. How, you ask? {{spoiler|[[Reality Warper]] Bat-Mite gives Batman, Robin, and the villains the ability to fight (since this was based off of the 60s cartoon, he couldn't even throw a punch). Then he gives it to Shaggy and Scooby, too. Ass-kicking ensues.}}
* ''[[Batman: The Brave And The Bold|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]'' had a crossover with ''[[Scooby-Doo]]'' that managed to fix the story breaker. How, you ask? {{spoiler|[[Reality Warper]] Bat-Mite gives Batman, Robin, and the villains the ability to fight (since this was based off of the 60s cartoon, he couldn't even throw a punch). Then he gives it to Shaggy and Scooby, too. Ass-kicking ensues.}}
* ''[[Robot Chicken]]'' uses this effect intentionally in many of its sketches. As the series page puts it:
* ''[[Robot Chicken]]'' uses this effect intentionally in many of its sketches. As the series page puts it:
{{quote|Most sketches involve "mashups", a collision of two pop-cultural items (one innocent, and the other "mature") degenerating into chaos, like [[Super Mario Bros.|Mario and Luigi]] travelling to [[Grand Theft Auto Vice City|Vice City]], [[Beavis and Butthead]] joining the [[Teen Titans (animation)|Teen Titans]], the [[Scooby Doo]] team encountering [[Friday the 13th (film)|Jason Vorhees]], or ''[[The Smurfs]]'' doing their version of the movie [[Se7en]] (Yes, all of these, even the last one, are actual sketches from the show). }}
{{quote|Most sketches involve "mashups", a collision of two pop-cultural items (one innocent, and the other "mature") degenerating into chaos, like [[Super Mario Bros.|Mario and Luigi]] travelling to [[Grand Theft Auto Vice City|Vice City]], [[Beavis and Butthead]] joining the [[Teen Titans (animation)|Teen Titans]], the [[Scooby Doo]] team encountering [[Friday the 13th (film)|Jason Vorhees]], or ''[[The Smurfs]]'' doing their version of the movie [[Se7en]] (Yes, all of these, even the last one, are actual sketches from the show). }}

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And then everybody that survived had a hearty chuckle!

"Any time there's a crossover in, say, Comic Books there's a risk that one team or hero will overshadow the other, questioning the competence or effectiveness of the other."

Who doesn't love character team-ups? Be it in comic books, cartoons, literature, TV or other media, putting two heroes (or villains!) together can make for exciting stories. However, care should go into this "matchmaking", since not every team up is thematically appropriate or compatible power-wise. If the creative teams go ahead with the team up anyway (the pull of Wolverine Publicity and Money, Dear Boy are strong), the result is a Story Breaker Team-Up.

This can happen due to a few different (sometimes overlapping) factors. Firstly is premise. If the characters are from different ends of the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism, either one will have to tough it out as an "inserted" character in the other's verse (suffering the equivalent of morality whiplash) or they'll have to risk meeting in morality neutral ground and hope the Grey and Grey Morality based story is of good quality.

The above can get complicated if one hero (like the Punisher above) routinely deals with his "Rogues Gallery" by killing them on sight, while the other firmly refuses to kill or doesn't even fight at all (like Archie Comics above). If the relative pacifist has favor, the militant hero will be severely nerfed; whereas if the militant one is shown right, it may risk invalidating the other's morals or making them seem irrelevant.

Similarly, another potential problem is their relative power. If one is vastly more powerful, the other will become The Load, so one or both character may have to undergo Power Creep, Power Seep to avoid one being made irrelevant while the other becomes a god. This doesn't just happen when there's a wide difference on the scale of a character with the Superpower Lottery and a Muggle teaming up; even a simple power like one way Telepathy can cripple a crossover. Imagine how Murder on the Orient Express (or any other detective story) would go if Poirot was teamed up with a Telepath.

Another factor is the seriousness of the setting and the temperament of the character. Teaming up a highly Genre Savvy character, or competent person from a world where everything is Like Reality Unless Noted, with a Genre Blind one in a cliche bound world won't end well, nor would the reverse be kind. In a similar vein, putting a stand up comedian in a show about international politics or similar won't usually go over well but oddly, the reverse probably isn't the case.

Last but not least is the content of the featured series. If you've got a series Rated "M" for Money teaming up with a far less violent series, the former will most likely be bowdlerised for the crossover so as to not clash aesthetically and/or upset the owners of the less violent series.

Because of these issues, avoiding this trope may require that Superman Stays Out of Gotham for no adequately explained reason.

Examples of Story-Breaker Team-Up include:

Comic Books

Fan Works

  • Various Gundam Seed and Mobile Suit Gundam 00 crossover has this as PLAGUE, considering the later's incarnation of eponymous Gundams is plain Game Breaker compared to the former. Common joke amongst those crossovers are Setsuna complaining that G-Project unit doesn't deserve the title of Gundam.
  • A few Neon Genesis Evangelion fanfics make jokes about how Dragon Ball characters take out the angels with ease.
    • This is actually very common in Dragon Ball crossover fics. While the Dragon Ball universe is not the most powerful by any means, many inexperienced fanfic writers would cross it over with fiction that was significantly weaker. This was most common in the nineties, as the really well-known animes (Ranma ½, Sailor Moon, Neon Genesis Evangelion) were leagues beneath the Dragon Ball universe, while universes that could compete with or even dominate Dragon Ball (Tenchi Muyo!, Saint Seiya, Marvel Comics) were unknown or underutilised.
      • On a similar note is an old DBZ fanfic where the Briefs family is targeted by a serial killer. Yes, a normal human serial killer. It's not bad, but the author would need enough handwaves to fly to get it to work fully, and he only does several.
  • The Pretty Cure Fan Fic Features, due to crossing over a ton of stories on varying points of the Scale, tend to do this. If Perfume Preppy is in a feature with a bunch of casts from series that are as child-friendly as the source material, no mention will be made of its various Family Unfriendly Deaths and rather disgusting moments like Ashley's cannibalistic mass murder spree. If Heavy Metal is in there too, since it's even less child-friendly, the other fics in the pile will be made Darker and Edgier.
  • A Dark Knight Over Sin City has a mild example. Batman and his rogues operate on a slightly different level than the Sin City characters. The anti-heroes and villains in Sin City still serve important roles in the plot but when it comes to, say, explaining Scarecrow's weapons or Joker's toxin, they resort to Buffy-Speak.
  • While on it, between 2003 and 2007 there were many crossovers between Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Harry Potter. While many of them were very well written, they were extremely prone to this trope, in both directions: If early seasons of BTVS were depicted, then a team of one physical fighter (Buffy), one slow (and then weak) witch (Willow) and two Badass Normals (Giles/Xander) could not really make a difference against all Death Eaters, with their apparition, direct magic etc. By contrast, if BTVS was depicted post S7, then there was the simple fact that all Death Eaters combined could not match the power of Willow, not even taking hundreds of slayers, Giles, and rest into account.

Live-Action TV

  • Jack Black on Community, as a parody of Remember the New Guy?, turned into this. He upsets the group dynamic with his weird schtick eventually forcing Jeff to drag him out of the Study Room kicking and screaming.
  • The Samurai Sentai Shinkenger story arc of Kamen Rider Decade. Since Kamen Riders do not deal with giant monsters on a regular basis whereas Super Sentai does and the crossover occurs in a Kamen Rider show, the arc was written to feature an original Monster of the Week who became an anomaly of sorts thanks to the intrusion of Decade's cast and thus could not grow unlike his brethren.
  • Parodied on an episode of That Mitchell and Webb Look, with the superhero team of BMX Bandit and Angel Summoner. BMX Bandit can ride a BMX really well, while Angel Summoner can summon and control a horde of invisible celestial superbeings. Oddly, BMX Bandit feels he doesn't add much to the team.

Tabletop Games

  • The players can cause this in any given table role playing game, almost all of which begin with a team-up of brand new characters. The GM can deal with conflicting power levels by enforcing balance. The players may come to the table with different assumptions about what the genre's conventions are. They may play characters with vastly different ethical stances that simply can't reconcile. They may come with vastly different levels of knowledge of the rules of the game and different tolerances for bending those rules. They may be the only Loony in a group which quickly tires of their antics or the only Real Man when everyone else is in deep immersion gaming. Preventing these differences both in and out of character from becoming a Story-Breaker Team-Up is important for making sure everyone has fun. The obvious example is from Dungeons and Dragons, with its infamous trope-naming Lawful Stupid, Chaotic Stupid, and Stupid Evil characters.

Video Games

  • Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe solves this in one sense while being disadvantaged by it in another. The difference in powers between Mortal Kombat and DCU characters is explained by mentioning that the universe merging directly affects the abilities of everyone involved, as well as spreading a Hate Plague in order for Let's You and Him Fight to ensue. However, DC's treatment of their intellectual properties meant that the Mortal Kombat side had to temporarily lose its extreme blood and gore... which, unfortunately for that series, is its entire selling point, period.
  • To a minor extent, Super Smash Bros.. Brawl and Snake. An M-rated character battles heroes who are perfectly OK for the entire family? Wave goodbye to his realistic firearms. He gets to keep explosive arms, though.
  • While Banpresto usually handles this trope quite well, Super Robot Wars has had a few offenders in the past. What immediately comes to mind is Super Robot Wars Judgment, where the plot of Gundam Seed is handled the exact same way despite the crossover drastically altering the circumstances. The most Egregious case is Mu La Flaga's Heroic Sacrifice, even though the various Super Robots in the player's group could have easily tanked the positron cannon.
    • The first appearances of a series tend to stick closer to canon. Later ones get more wiggling room. Compare SEED's appearance in Super Robot Wars W: Mu lives. And so do a lot of other SEED characters.

Web Comics

Green Lantern: What's the plan, Clark?
Superman: The plan is that I will solve everything, by myself, because I'm an invincible, immortal alien with unlimited power. If there's anything bad, I'll just pick it up and throw it into the sun.

Web Original

Western Animation

  • One episode of Batman the Brave And The Bold had this trope inverted, Batman is transported to 1880s England, where he "teams up" with Sherlock Holmes and outclasses him in most ways. While Sherlock is no slouch (and discovers and reaches the villain's hideout before Batman), Batman fights better, can make Bat Deductions with less information, and can handle the clearly supernatural Gentleman Ghost while Holmes is made a victim.
    • Although the fact that Holmes beat Batman at anything speaks volumes, as Batman has both more experience with supernatural phenomena, and information, knowledge and training from over a century ahead of Sherlock's time.
    • And again with "The Super-Batman of Planet X!", where Batman is stranded on a strange, alien planet and teams up with the local near-identical Batman to foil crime. Then it turns out that thanks to the planet's atmosphere Batman becomes a Flying Brick, much to the local Batman-X's chagrin. That is, until the commonly occurring mineral Quartz renders him worse than powerless and allows Batman-X to save the day.
  • The New Scooby-Doo Movies in which Mystery, Inc. teamed with people like Batman, The Addams Family and The Three Stooges.
  • Batman the Brave And The Bold had a crossover with Scooby-Doo that managed to fix the story breaker. How, you ask? Reality Warper Bat-Mite gives Batman, Robin, and the villains the ability to fight (since this was based off of the 60s cartoon, he couldn't even throw a punch). Then he gives it to Shaggy and Scooby, too. Ass-kicking ensues.
  • Robot Chicken uses this effect intentionally in many of its sketches. As the series page puts it:

Most sketches involve "mashups", a collision of two pop-cultural items (one innocent, and the other "mature") degenerating into chaos, like Mario and Luigi travelling to Vice City, Beavis and Butthead joining the Teen Titans, the Scooby Doo team encountering Jason Vorhees, or The Smurfs doing their version of the movie Se7en (Yes, all of these, even the last one, are actual sketches from the show).