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{{quote|''When I made a shadow on my windowshade<br />
{{quote|''When I made a shadow on my windowshade
They called the police and testified<br />
''They called the police and testified
But they're like the people chained up in the cave<br />
''But they're like the people chained up in the cave
In the allegory of the people in the cave by the Greek guy.''|[[They Might Be Giants (Music)|They Might Be Giants]], "No One Knows My Plan"}}
''In the allegory of the people in the cave by the Greek guy.''|[[They Might Be Giants (band)|They Might Be Giants]], "No One Knows My Plan"}}


In [[Plato]]'s famous allegory, reality is not directly perceived. We are tied down, in a cave, in front of a fire, unable to see ourselves or anyone else, only their shadows; and as we see the shadows dance and interact, we believe the shadows to be ourselves, and the walls of the cave to be the world. (And [[Day Hurts Dark-Adjusted Eyes|we would find it difficult to see if brought into greater light]].)
In [[Plato]]'s famous allegory, reality is not directly perceived. We are tied down, in a cave, in front of a fire, unable to see ourselves or anyone else, only their shadows; and as we see the shadows dance and interact, we believe the shadows to be ourselves, and the walls of the cave to be the world. (And [[Day Hurts Dark-Adjusted Eyes|we would find it difficult to see if brought into greater light]].)


A [[Platonic Cave]] setting is one in which the cave is shown to be artificial. Stories in this setting frequently have to do with peeling back layers, trying to get closer to reality. [[I Thought It Meant|Not the cave you only like]].
A '''Platonic Cave''' setting is one in which the cave is shown to be artificial. Stories in this setting frequently have to do with peeling back layers, trying to get closer to reality. [[I Thought It Meant|Not the cave you only like]].


A [[Cuckoo Nest]] plot uses this as part of a single episode's story.
A [[Cuckoo Nest]] plot uses this as part of a single episode's story.
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'''Beware of spoilers beyond this point.'''
'''Beware of spoilers beyond this point.'''
{{examples}}


{{examples}}
== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
* In ''[[Digimon Adventure]]'', the "cave" is a cave. Matt, Sora and arguably Kari and Ken (Dark Ocean) all get stuck in the same cave that only exists because of their insecurity and sadness.
* In ''[[Digimon Adventure]]'', the "cave" is a cave. Matt, Sora and arguably Kari and Ken (Dark Ocean) all get stuck in the same cave that only exists because of their insecurity and sadness.
* ''[[The Big O (Anime)|The Big O]]''. [[Mind Screw|Maybe]]. [[Gainax Ending|Possibly]]. [[Tomato in The Mirror|Could be]].
* ''[[The Big O]]''. [[Mind Screw|Maybe]]. [[Gainax Ending|Possibly]]. [[Tomato in the Mirror|Could be]].
* Referenced in the [http://www.metrolyrics.com/aura-lyrics-hack-sign.html lyrics for Aura's song] in [[.hack Sign]].
* Referenced in the [https://web.archive.org/web/20130618010254/http://www.metrolyrics.com/aura-lyrics-hack-sign.html lyrics for Aura's song] in [[.hack//Sign]].


== [[Comic Books]] ==
== [[Comic Books]] ==
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== [[Film]] ==
== [[Film]] ==
* The Matrix, of ''[[The Matrix]]''. The "cave" is a giant computer program.
* The Matrix, of ''[[The Matrix]]''. The "cave" is a giant computer program.
* ''[[The Truman Show (Film)|The Truman Show]]''. The "cave" is a town-sized TV show soundstage.
* ''[[The Truman Show]]''. The "cave" is a town-sized TV show soundstage.
* The ending of the movie ''[[Brazil (Film)|Brazil]]''. The "cave" is the main character's own mind after going insane under [[Cold-Blooded Torture|torture]].
* The ending of the movie ''[[Brazil (film)|Brazil]]''. The "cave" is the main character's own mind after going insane under [[Cold-Blooded Torture|torture]].
* Partial example: ''[[They Live]]!'', in which radio signals are beamed into our brains, causing us to see things inaccurately.
* Partial example: ''[[They Live!]]!'', in which radio signals are beamed into our brains, causing us to see things inaccurately.
* ''[[Dark City]]'' - The cave is an alien spaceship/laboratory made up to look like an American city ca. the 1930s.
* ''[[Dark City]]'' - The cave is an alien spaceship/laboratory made up to look like an American city ca. the 1930s.
* ''The 13th Floor'' - The cave is a virtual reality simulation inside of another virtual reality simulation.
* ''The 13th Floor'' - The cave is a virtual reality simulation inside of another virtual reality simulation.
* ''[[eXistenZ]]'' - The cave is the virtual reality game. However, Plato's theory is subverted when it turns out that {{spoiler|transCendenZ is just as fake as eXistenZ}}. And the people who want to destroy the cave? Insane terrorists who want to [[Culture Police|stop you from playing video games]].
* ''[[eXistenZ]]'' - The cave is the virtual reality game. However, Plato's theory is subverted when it turns out that {{spoiler|transCendenZ is just as fake as eXistenZ}}. And the people who want to destroy the cave? Insane terrorists who want to [[Culture Police|stop you from playing video games]].
* ''[[THX 1138 (Film)|THX 1138]]'': The cave is the entire underground city, and the final scene {{spoiler|where THX climbs the ladder and escapes into the sun}} is a clear reference to the "rough ascent" and transcendence as described in the allegory.
* ''[[THX 1138]]'': The cave is the entire underground city, and the final scene {{spoiler|where THX climbs the ladder and escapes into the sun}} is a clear reference to the "rough ascent" and transcendence as described in the allegory.
* ''[[El Topo]]'' takes a very literal interpretation of this trope. [[What Do You Mean It Wasn't Made On Drugs?|Psychedelically]].
* ''[[El Topo]]'' takes a very literal interpretation of this trope. [[What Do You Mean It Wasn't Made on Drugs?|Psychedelically]].


== [[Literature]] ==
== [[Literature]] ==
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* Used in Shelley's ''[[Frankenstein]]'' in the Creature's narrative.
* Used in Shelley's ''[[Frankenstein]]'' in the Creature's narrative.
* The protagonist of William Gibson's book ''[[Neuromancer]]'' is at one point inside a virtual reality program, sitting by a bonfire, inside something very reminiscent of a cave.
* The protagonist of William Gibson's book ''[[Neuromancer]]'' is at one point inside a virtual reality program, sitting by a bonfire, inside something very reminiscent of a cave.
* In ''[[The Great God Pan (Literature)|The Great God Pan]]'', the scientist responsible for the whole plot did the experiment because he believed in this theory, and wanted to expose part of the "real" reality to ours. Whereas this is true or not is not specified, but given the fact that an [[Eldritch Abomination]] is running around it is likely so.
* In ''[[The Great God Pan]]'', the scientist responsible for the whole plot did the experiment because he believed in this theory, and wanted to expose part of the "real" reality to ours. Whereas this is true or not is not specified, but given the fact that an [[Eldritch Abomination]] is running around it is likely so.
* In [[Isaac Asimov]]'s ''[[I Robot (Literature)|I Robot]]'', the story "Reason" revolves around a robot who becomes convinced that the space station on which he works is his entire universe, and the duties he performs on the station [[Cargo Cult|are rites for a deity]].
* In [[Isaac Asimov]]'s ''[[I, Robot (literature)|I, Robot]]'', the story "Reason" revolves around a robot who becomes convinced that the space station on which he works is his entire universe, and the duties he performs on the station [[Cargo Cult|are rites for a deity]].
* In the [[Horus Heresy]] novel A Thousand Sons, Thousand Sons primarch Magnus the Red retells the story in an effort to convince the Emperor that he should allow continued exploration into sorcery. {{spoiler|He fails, and although his legion is censured for its use, they continue to use it with disastrous results}}
* In the [[Horus Heresy]] novel A Thousand Sons, Thousand Sons primarch Magnus the Red retells the story in an effort to convince the Emperor that he should allow continued exploration into sorcery. {{spoiler|He fails, and although his legion is censured for its use, they continue to use it with disastrous results}}
* ''Heaven'' by Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen happens mostly in the real world, but it involves [[Lotus Eater Machine]] "worlds", and contains one scene like this. An initiate to the deeper secrets of the religion setting up these fantasy worlds is shown inside one like them and then returned to the office where he was. His instructor argues that the virtual reality he experienced was real, and he disagrees. He says that what is really real is ''this'', meaning his surroundings, at which point he's awoken and realizes that was actually another simulation, used just in order to make a point when he'd start going on about it being more real than the first one.
* ''Heaven'' by Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen happens mostly in the real world, but it involves [[Lotus Eater Machine]] "worlds", and contains one scene like this. An initiate to the deeper secrets of the religion setting up these fantasy worlds is shown inside one like them and then returned to the office where he was. His instructor argues that the virtual reality he experienced was real, and he disagrees. He says that what is really real is ''this'', meaning his surroundings, at which point he's awoken and realizes that was actually another simulation, used just in order to make a point when he'd start going on about it being more real than the first one.
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* The setting of ''[[Life On Mars]]''... maybe.
* The setting of ''[[Life On Mars]]''... maybe.
* The Shibuya in ''[[Sh15uya]]'' is explicitly stated to be a virtual replication in the opening of the show.
* The Shibuya in ''[[Sh15uya]]'' is explicitly stated to be a virtual replication in the opening of the show.
* The ''[[Doctor Who]]'' two-parter "[[Doctor Who/NS/Recap/S4 E8 Silence in The Library|Silence in the Library]]"/"[[Doctor Who/NS/Recap/S4 E9 Forest of the Dead|Forest of the Dead]]". The "cave" is {{spoiler|the library's computer system}}.
* The ''[[Doctor Who]]'' two-parter "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S30/E08 Silence in the Library|Silence in the Library]]"/"[[Doctor Who/Recap/S30/E09 Forest of the Dead|Forest of the Dead]]". The "cave" is {{spoiler|the library's computer system}}.
** The Matrix in "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S14 E3 The Deadly Assassin|The Deadly Assassin]]", {{spoiler|the eponymous setting}} in "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S19 E1 Castrovalva|Castrovalva]]", and the alternate realities in "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S3 E7 The Celestial Toymaker|The Celestial Toymaker]]" and "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S6 E2 The Mind Robber|The Mind Robber]]". Also {{spoiler|the fake Earth}} in "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S13 E4 The Android Invasion|The Android Invasion]]".
** The Matrix in "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S14/E03 The Deadly Assassin|The Deadly Assassin]]", {{spoiler|the eponymous setting}} in "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S19/E01 Castrovalva|Castrovalva]]", and the alternate realities in "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S3/E07 The Celestial Toymaker|The Celestial Toymaker]]" and "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S6/E02 The Mind Robber|The Mind Robber]]". Also {{spoiler|the fake Earth}} in "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S13/E04 The Android Invasion|The Android Invasion]]".
** Also the tunnel in Gridlock.
** Also the tunnel in Gridlock.
* [[Star Trek the Next Generation]]: Professor Moriarty discovers that he's a character in a holodeck fantasy, and it even gets down to the point where he is questioning the memories and personality he was programmed with, rejecting them for a chance at a new identity and existence. When Picard fails to live up to his promise, a follow up episode has Moriarty trapping Picard and Data in one of these briefly leading Picard to muse that their own reality might be a Platonic Cave.
* [[Star Trek: The Next Generation]]: Professor Moriarty discovers that he's a character in a holodeck fantasy, and it even gets down to the point where he is questioning the memories and personality he was programmed with, rejecting them for a chance at a new identity and existence. When Picard fails to live up to his promise, a follow up episode has Moriarty trapping Picard and Data in one of these briefly leading Picard to muse that their own reality might be a Platonic Cave.
* [[Star Trek Voyager]] has the Q create a representational reality that reflects the basic ideas of the Q Continuum for us mere mortals (though they don't try to fool the humans into thinking it's real, it at least suggests that there is more to reality than they're capable of handling.)
* [[Star Trek: Voyager]] has the Q create a representational reality that reflects the basic ideas of the Q Continuum for us mere mortals (though they don't try to fool the humans into thinking it's real, it at least suggests that there is more to reality than they're capable of handling.)


== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
* ''[[Mage: The Awakening]]''. Reality itself is the "cave," a "fallen" portrayal of the limitless wonder of the Supernal Realms. And even for those who manage to break the ropes and turn around to look at the way out, there are demiurges guarding the mouth of the cave, and a trench before you can even get to them.
* ''[[Mage: The Awakening]]''. Reality itself is the "cave," a "fallen" portrayal of the limitless wonder of the Supernal Realms. And even for those who manage to break the ropes and turn around to look at the way out, there are demiurges guarding the mouth of the cave, and a trench before you can even get to them.


== [[Video Games]] ==
== [[Video Games]] ==
* ''[[Star Ocean Till the End of Time]]'' reveals that the entire universe is a simulated reality and, consequentially, everyone in it is an AI program.
* ''[[Star Ocean: Till the End of Time]]'' reveals that the entire universe is a simulated reality and, consequentially, everyone in it is an AI program.
* ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' - The cave is the world created by the magical book.
* ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' - The cave is the world created by the magical book.


== [[Web Comics]] ==
== [[Web Comics]] ==
* [http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/0255.htm This strip] from the [[Web Comic]] ''[[Arthur King of Time and Space|Arthur: King of Time and Space]]'' has Plato actually ''doing'' this.
* [http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/0255.htm This strip] from the [[Web Comic]] ''[[Arthur, King of Time and Space]]'' has Plato actually ''doing'' this.
* [http://www.daisyowl.com/comic/2008-07-06 This] strip from ''[[Daisy Owl]]'' has a fly trapped in one.
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20130205143852/http://www.daisyowl.com/comic/2008-07-06 This] strip from ''[[Daisy Owl]]'' has a fly trapped in one.
* [[Tailsteak]]'s comic [http://www.tailsteak.com/archive.php?num=32 The Sixth TV] is an unusual take on the cave, and indeed begins with a quote from Plato.
* [[Tailsteak]]'s comic [http://www.tailsteak.com/archive.php?num=32 The Sixth TV] is an unusual take on the cave, and indeed begins with a quote from Plato.


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Latest revision as of 23:12, 2 August 2021

When I made a shadow on my windowshade
They called the police and testified
But they're like the people chained up in the cave

In the allegory of the people in the cave by the Greek guy.
They Might Be Giants, "No One Knows My Plan"

In Plato's famous allegory, reality is not directly perceived. We are tied down, in a cave, in front of a fire, unable to see ourselves or anyone else, only their shadows; and as we see the shadows dance and interact, we believe the shadows to be ourselves, and the walls of the cave to be the world. (And we would find it difficult to see if brought into greater light.)

A Platonic Cave setting is one in which the cave is shown to be artificial. Stories in this setting frequently have to do with peeling back layers, trying to get closer to reality. Not the cave you only like.

A Cuckoo Nest plot uses this as part of a single episode's story.

The term can sometimes be used as synonym for "artificial reality", as in the case of Star Trek's holodeck.

Compare Cyberspace. May overlap with Lotus Eater Machine.

Beware of spoilers beyond this point.

Examples of Platonic Cave include:

Anime and Manga

Comic Books

  • The Invisibles, where our universe is the intersection between two others. When someone is taken to The Invisible College, they are told "Imagine the world is the pattern on the wallpaper...well, now we're in the wall."

Film

  • The Matrix, of The Matrix. The "cave" is a giant computer program.
  • The Truman Show. The "cave" is a town-sized TV show soundstage.
  • The ending of the movie Brazil. The "cave" is the main character's own mind after going insane under torture.
  • Partial example: They Live!!, in which radio signals are beamed into our brains, causing us to see things inaccurately.
  • Dark City - The cave is an alien spaceship/laboratory made up to look like an American city ca. the 1930s.
  • The 13th Floor - The cave is a virtual reality simulation inside of another virtual reality simulation.
  • eXistenZ - The cave is the virtual reality game. However, Plato's theory is subverted when it turns out that transCendenZ is just as fake as eXistenZ. And the people who want to destroy the cave? Insane terrorists who want to stop you from playing video games.
  • THX 1138: The cave is the entire underground city, and the final scene where THX climbs the ladder and escapes into the sun is a clear reference to the "rough ascent" and transcendence as described in the allegory.
  • El Topo takes a very literal interpretation of this trope. Psychedelically.

Literature

  • Robert Heinlein's short story "They" has the protagonist catching on to the fact he's in a cave when someone running the world messes up and it's raining outside one window and sunny outside another. They send in a psychologist to try to convince him that he's schizophrenic.
  • Used in Shelley's Frankenstein in the Creature's narrative.
  • The protagonist of William Gibson's book Neuromancer is at one point inside a virtual reality program, sitting by a bonfire, inside something very reminiscent of a cave.
  • In The Great God Pan, the scientist responsible for the whole plot did the experiment because he believed in this theory, and wanted to expose part of the "real" reality to ours. Whereas this is true or not is not specified, but given the fact that an Eldritch Abomination is running around it is likely so.
  • In Isaac Asimov's I, Robot, the story "Reason" revolves around a robot who becomes convinced that the space station on which he works is his entire universe, and the duties he performs on the station are rites for a deity.
  • In the Horus Heresy novel A Thousand Sons, Thousand Sons primarch Magnus the Red retells the story in an effort to convince the Emperor that he should allow continued exploration into sorcery. He fails, and although his legion is censured for its use, they continue to use it with disastrous results
  • Heaven by Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen happens mostly in the real world, but it involves Lotus Eater Machine "worlds", and contains one scene like this. An initiate to the deeper secrets of the religion setting up these fantasy worlds is shown inside one like them and then returned to the office where he was. His instructor argues that the virtual reality he experienced was real, and he disagrees. He says that what is really real is this, meaning his surroundings, at which point he's awoken and realizes that was actually another simulation, used just in order to make a point when he'd start going on about it being more real than the first one.

Live-Action TV

  • The setting of Life On Mars... maybe.
  • The Shibuya in Sh15uya is explicitly stated to be a virtual replication in the opening of the show.
  • The Doctor Who two-parter "Silence in the Library"/"Forest of the Dead". The "cave" is the library's computer system.
  • Star Trek: The Next Generation: Professor Moriarty discovers that he's a character in a holodeck fantasy, and it even gets down to the point where he is questioning the memories and personality he was programmed with, rejecting them for a chance at a new identity and existence. When Picard fails to live up to his promise, a follow up episode has Moriarty trapping Picard and Data in one of these briefly leading Picard to muse that their own reality might be a Platonic Cave.
  • Star Trek: Voyager has the Q create a representational reality that reflects the basic ideas of the Q Continuum for us mere mortals (though they don't try to fool the humans into thinking it's real, it at least suggests that there is more to reality than they're capable of handling.)

Tabletop Games

  • Mage: The Awakening. Reality itself is the "cave," a "fallen" portrayal of the limitless wonder of the Supernal Realms. And even for those who manage to break the ropes and turn around to look at the way out, there are demiurges guarding the mouth of the cave, and a trench before you can even get to them.

Video Games

Web Comics

Real Life

  • Several physicists have suggested ontologies that Plato would have been proud of:
    • Cosmologist Paul Davies, along with a good number of other scientists, philosophers and theologians, believes that the universe is nothing more than a very powerful quantum-digital computer. He even proposed an experiment that could be performed pending developments in computer engineering.
    • Max Tegmark thinks that only math exists, and that what we perceive as real, is nothing more than equations tricking themselves into thinking that they exist in a real world.
    • And probably weirdest of all, after considering the philosophical consequences of the violation of Bell's Theorem, Bernard d 'Espagnat concluded that the Laws of Physics are nothing more than the shadows of a panentheistic god.
  • Pythagoras believed that numbers were the true nature of everything. This became an empirical theory by Issac Newton, who would codify how to use mathematics to describe physics.
  • In a very real sense, we don't perceive anything but shadows. You think you see other people, but that's just light hitting your retina. What you hear is just ripples in the air. What you feel is just pressure picked up by your nerves. Humans do not have one single sense that directly perceives how we interpret the data we receive from the environment.
    • Also the fact that we're all living slightly in the past. All signals take some time, an incredibly small amount of time, but still, for the brain to interpret after they're recieved.
  • The Balinese believe something very similar to this. Everything we see and experience is a reflection of the real world. The sacred theater of Bali includes wayang (reflection) plays using flat puppets made of leather behind a lit sceen, so all you see is their shadows.
  • Some Indian peoples believe this also. To get into the real world, you have to dream. Crazy Horse was one of many holy men known for the ability to be in both worlds at once.