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[[File:iwbtgscreen_1962.png|link=I Wanna Be the Guy|frame|Be prepared to see this a lot. And this is one of the ''easier'' screens.]]
[[File:iwbtgscreen 1962.png|link=I Wanna Be the Guy|frame|Be prepared to see this a lot. And this is one of the ''easier'' screens.]]
{{quote|''"WE ARE NINTENDO. WE CHALLENGE ALL PLAYERS. '''YOU CANNOT BEAT US."'''''|''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta0DlcxyY5M '80s Australian NES commercial]''}}
{{quote|''"WE ARE NINTENDO. WE CHALLENGE ALL PLAYERS. '''YOU CANNOT BEAT US."'''''|''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta0DlcxyY5M '80s Australian NES commercial]''}}


The first [[Nintendo Entertainment System]] was known for two things: [[The Great Video Game Crash of 1983|reviving home console gaming]] and having ridiculously difficult games.
The first [[Nintendo Entertainment System]] was known for two things: [[The Great Video Game Crash of 1983|reviving home console gaming]] and having ridiculously difficult games.


Back in the '80s, video games didn't have the advanced storylines of today; [[Excuse Plot|Excuse Plots]] were the norm. So much of the feeling of accomplishment one could derive was from overcoming the insane difficulty that the games provided, if only so one could [[Bragging Rights Reward]] to one's friends. [[Goddamned Bats|A plethora of enemies]] and impossible jumps were not just the name of the game, they ''were'' the game. These games weren't just hard; they were Nintendo Hard!
Back in the '80s, video games didn't have the advanced storylines of today; [[Excuse Plot]]s were the norm. So much of the feeling of accomplishment one could derive was from overcoming the insane difficulty that the games provided, if only so one could [[Bragging Rights Reward]] to one's friends. [[Goddamned Bats|A plethora of enemies]] and impossible jumps were not just the name of the game, they ''were'' the game. These games weren't just hard; they were '''Nintendo Hard'''!


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'''The difficulty of these games usually stems from a combination of factors:'''
'''The difficulty of these games usually stems from a combination of factors:'''
* [[Goddamned Bats|Lots of enemies]] ([[Bullet Hell|or lots of bullets]]) that are [[Denial of Diagonal Attack|hard to hit or dodge]].
* [[Goddamned Bats|this type]] and or [[Demonic Spider|that type]] ([[Bullet Hell|or lots of bullets]]) that are [[Denial of Diagonal Attack|hard to hit or dodge]].
* Surprise attacks that can only be avoided by sheerest luck or [[Trial and Error Gameplay|memorizing their locations]].
* Surprise attacks that can only be avoided by sheerest luck or [[Trial and Error Gameplay|memorizing their locations]].
* [[Malevolent Architecture]] that poses a [[Everything Trying to Kill You|constant danger of death]] even when the player proceeds as cautiously as possible.
* [[Malevolent Architecture]] that poses a [[Everything Trying to Kill You|constant danger of death]] even when the player proceeds as cautiously as possible.
* A hero [[Glass Cannon|who can survive very few hits]] -- often dying from even the [[One-Hit-Point Wonder|slightest scratch]].
* A hero [[Glass Cannon|who can survive very few hits]]—often dying from even the [[One-Hit-Point Wonder|slightest scratch]].
* [[Check Point Starvation|Lack of, or very few Check Points or Save Points]].
* [[Check Point Starvation|Lack of, or very few Check Points or Save Points]].
* A limited number of [[Video Game Lives|lives]] and/or continues.
* A limited number of [[Video Game Lives|lives]] and/or continues.
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* Stiff, clunky, and perhaps somewhat unresponsive controls (but ''only'' when applied to the original 8-bit, 16-bit, and (to a small extent) 32-bit generations: in more modern games, it ceases to be expected and veers right into [[Fake Difficulty]].)
* Stiff, clunky, and perhaps somewhat unresponsive controls (but ''only'' when applied to the original 8-bit, 16-bit, and (to a small extent) 32-bit generations: in more modern games, it ceases to be expected and veers right into [[Fake Difficulty]].)
** Inflexible [[Jump Physics]] render it impossible to accurately dodge attacks in midair, especially if your character's jump height is less than half that of Mario's.
** Inflexible [[Jump Physics]] render it impossible to accurately dodge attacks in midair, especially if your character's jump height is less than half that of Mario's.
* [[Moon Logic Puzzle|Maddeningly difficult and/or confusing puzzles.]]
* Situations where the game can become literally unwinnable, [[Unwinnable by Design|intentional]] or [[Unwinnable by Mistake|otherwise.]]


For further building blocks of Nintendo Hard, see [[Classic Video Game Screw Yous]].
For further building blocks of Nintendo Hard, see [[Classic Video Game "Screw You"s]].


The game mechanics that make a game "Nintendo Hard" were often transported from arcade games that required the player to [[Attract Mode|spend more money]] to keep playing after his character was killed. Except that when they got ported over to the console, there was no coin slot, leaving you stuck with a fixed number of lives and highly limited or non-existent continues.
The game mechanics that make a game "Nintendo Hard" were often transported from arcade games that required the player to [[Attract Mode|spend more money]] to keep playing after his character was killed. Except that when they got ported over to the console, there was no coin slot, leaving you stuck with a fixed number of lives and highly limited or non-existent continues.
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When Nintendo Hard is taken to its most sadistic extremes by deliberately adding cheap deaths and [[Trial and Error Gameplay]], you get [[Masocore]] or [[Platform Hell]].
When Nintendo Hard is taken to its most sadistic extremes by deliberately adding cheap deaths and [[Trial and Error Gameplay]], you get [[Masocore]] or [[Platform Hell]].


When only one or few levels or areas of the game are Nintendo Hard, you're probably dealing with [[That One Level]]. If the game reaches an obscene difficulty at a certain point and never looks back, look for [[Disappointing Last Level]]. Examples of [[Nintendo Hard]] head-to-head fighters generally go under [[The Computer Is a Cheating Bastard]], since crazy-hard opponent AI is nigh-universally the culprit.
When only one or few levels or areas of the game are Nintendo Hard, you're probably dealing with [[That One Level]]. If the game reaches an obscene difficulty at a certain point and never looks back, look for [[Disappointing Last Level]]. Examples of '''Nintendo Hard''' head-to-head fighters generally go under [[The Computer Is a Cheating Bastard]], since crazy-hard opponent AI is nigh-universally the culprit.


Nintendo products themselves are physically ''very hard'' (to break), but that's [[Tonka Tough]], not Nintendo Hard.
Nintendo products themselves are physically ''very hard'' (to break), but that's [[Tonka Tough]], not Nintendo Hard.
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'''For [[Fighting Game]] examples, see [[SNK Boss]].'''
'''For [[Fighting Game]] examples, see [[SNK Boss]].'''
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* [[Nintendo Hard/Adventure Games|Adventure Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Beat Em Ups|Beat Em Ups]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/First Person Shooters|First Person Shooters]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Game Mods|Game Mods]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Hack N Slash Games|Hack N Slash Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Non Video Game Examples|Non Video Game Examples]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Platform Games|Platform Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Puzzle Games|Puzzle Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Racing Games|Racing Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Rhythm Games|Rhythm Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Rogue-like Games|Rogue-like Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Role-playing Games|Role-playing Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Simulation Games|Simulation Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Shoot Em Ups|Shoot Em Ups]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Sports Games|Sports Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Turn-based Strategy Games|Turn-based Strategy Games]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Uncategorised|Uncategorised]]
* [[Nintendo Hard/Video Game Publishers|Video Game Publishers]]


{{examples on subpages}}
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{{quote|''"Why do they make it so that you can't fucking win, why am I even playing?" [drops the [[Play Station 2]] controller]''|'''Evan''', ''[[Superbad]]''}}
{{quote|''"Why do they make it so that you can't fucking win, why am I even playing?" [drops the [[PlayStation 2]] controller]''|'''Evan'''|''[[Superbad]]''}}


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[[Category:Tropes of Legend]]
[[Category:Tropes of Legend]]
[[Category:Role Playing Game]]
[[Category:Fighting Game]]
[[Category:Fighting Game]]
[[Category:Older Than the NES]]
[[Category:Older Than the NES]]
[[Category:Video Game Difficulty Tropes]]
[[Category:Video Game Difficulty Tropes]]
[[Category:Bleach the 3rd Phantom]]
[[Category:CRPG Tropes]]
[[Category:Osu]]
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[[Category:Nintendo Hard]]

Latest revision as of 15:39, 27 February 2024

Be prepared to see this a lot. And this is one of the easier screens.

"WE ARE NINTENDO. WE CHALLENGE ALL PLAYERS. YOU CANNOT BEAT US."

The first Nintendo Entertainment System was known for two things: reviving home console gaming and having ridiculously difficult games.

Back in the '80s, video games didn't have the advanced storylines of today; Excuse Plots were the norm. So much of the feeling of accomplishment one could derive was from overcoming the insane difficulty that the games provided, if only so one could Bragging Rights Reward to one's friends. A plethora of enemies and impossible jumps were not just the name of the game, they were the game. These games weren't just hard; they were Nintendo Hard!

The difficulty of these games usually stems from a combination of factors:

For further building blocks of Nintendo Hard, see Classic Video Game "Screw You"s.

The game mechanics that make a game "Nintendo Hard" were often transported from arcade games that required the player to spend more money to keep playing after his character was killed. Except that when they got ported over to the console, there was no coin slot, leaving you stuck with a fixed number of lives and highly limited or non-existent continues.

The concept has recently been satirized on the Internet, most famously by the The Angry Video Game Nerd, who pointed out that via Sturgeon's Law, most examples of Nintendo Hard games are often a result of sloppy or bad design.

A lot of these are simply rookie mistakes. For a company, establishing an identity and building the fanbase takes priority over finding the proper challenge level. Often the designers will go for something highly distinctive, take a lot of time designing and making it look right, and not spend enough time on the actual gameplay and level mechanics, then realize too late that they've (completely unintentionally) made a monster. Ghosts 'n Goblins is a good example of this.

When Nintendo Hard is taken to its most sadistic extremes by deliberately adding cheap deaths and Trial and Error Gameplay, you get Masocore or Platform Hell.

When only one or few levels or areas of the game are Nintendo Hard, you're probably dealing with That One Level. If the game reaches an obscene difficulty at a certain point and never looks back, look for Disappointing Last Level. Examples of Nintendo Hard head-to-head fighters generally go under The Computer Is a Cheating Bastard, since crazy-hard opponent AI is nigh-universally the culprit.

Nintendo products themselves are physically very hard (to break), but that's Tonka Tough, not Nintendo Hard.

Apparently several classic Nintendo games are, in general, NP-hard, which is also not the same, but interesting.

Some caution in adding examples may be wise. If you feel inclined to add the words "for This Troper" or "could be considered" and cannot make a strong statement on the universal difficulty of the game in question, please reconsider.

If you know where an example filed under "Uncategorised" goes, then please sort it.

For Fighting Game examples, see SNK Boss.

Examples of Nintendo Hard are listed on these subpages:

"Why do they make it so that you can't fucking win, why am I even playing?" [drops the PlayStation 2 controller]
EvanSuperbad