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* By extension, if this is the book where he had a [[Heel Face Turn]], then ''[[Discworld (Literature)/Night Watch (Discworld)|Night Watch]]'' is the book that'd convinced him to become so cynical in the first place. He'd seen his own aunt's meticulous efforts to replace a corrupt and paranoid Patrician end up merely putting another ruthless backstabber into power. He'd applied all of his hard-won, elegant expertise from the Assassins' school to eliminating Winder, only to see Snapcase turn around and sic an uncultivated psychopath on the only sincerely well-meaning unit in the Watch. Vetinari's belief that the good people are only of use to replace one bunch of bad people with another, we can now see, stems from direct personal experience from that period, and he only shakes off that disillusioned cynicism when Carrot's proposal for a new Watch --— and the could-have-been-king's complete disinterest in personal power --— shoved his face in the fact that not ''everyone'' he might trust to share the civic authority is a Snapcase-in-waiting.

He could have died between Men at Arms and Jingo whereupon the [[UpperclassUpper Class Twit|Lord Rust]] we all know took over.

* Jossed as of ''[[Discworld (Literature)/Snuff|Snuff]]'', unless something ''very'' complicated happened to the succession, because the Lord Rust in that book is notably older than Vimes.

** In addition, Lord Rust makes an appearance in the past during ''[[Night Watch (Discworld)|Night Watch]]'', and Vimes' reaction to him confirms that it is the same Rust as in ''[[Discworld (Literature)/Jingo|Jingo]]''. Once again, unless the family succession got very messy, it's more likely a case of [[Characterization Marches On]], as with the Patrician in ''[[DiscworldNight Watch (LiteratureDiscworld)/The Colour of Magic|The Colour of Magic]]'', according to [[Word of God]].