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* [[Adaptation Displacement]]: Most are aware that it's based on the 1970 film, but how many fans know of Richard Hooker's ''MASH: A Novel About Three Army Doctors'' (1968) that inspired the film? |
* [[Adaptation Displacement]]: Most are aware that it's based on the 1970 film, but how many fans know of Richard Hooker's ''MASH: A Novel About Three Army Doctors'' (1968) that inspired the film? |
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* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: It might just be fandom overthinking things but the [[ |
* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: It might just be fandom overthinking things but the [[LiveJournal]] consensus on Hawkeye is that he's bisexual and manic-depressive. |
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** To be fair, the [[ |
** To be fair, the [[LiveJournal]] consensus on ''everyone'' is that they're bisexual and manic-depressive. |
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** There is also some debate about whether or not Hawkeye is supposed to be an [[Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist]] or [[Heroic Sociopath]] who happened to share the writer's political beliefs or an [[Author Avatar]]/[[Marty Stu]] who swerved into [[Jerkass]] territory. Or any position inbetween. |
** There is also some debate about whether or not Hawkeye is supposed to be an [[Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist]] or [[Heroic Sociopath]] who happened to share the writer's political beliefs or an [[Author Avatar]]/[[Marty Stu]] who swerved into [[Jerkass]] territory. Or any position inbetween. |
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*** There is also debate about how sympathetic or unsympathetic we are supposed to feel towards [[Butt Monkey|Frank]]. Is he just a stupid [[Jerkass]]? Or a stupid [[Jerkass]] whom, nevertheless, did not deserve to be bullied and tortured the way he was? A doctor who was cracking under pressure? Or, a demented, deeply disturbed sociopathic [[Man Child]] who was actually dangerous (recall the time he tried to get Hawkeye hanged.)? |
*** There is also debate about how sympathetic or unsympathetic we are supposed to feel towards [[Butt Monkey|Frank]]. Is he just a stupid [[Jerkass]]? Or a stupid [[Jerkass]] whom, nevertheless, did not deserve to be bullied and tortured the way he was? A doctor who was cracking under pressure? Or, a demented, deeply disturbed sociopathic [[Man Child]] who was actually dangerous (recall the time he tried to get Hawkeye hanged.)? |
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* [[Anvilicious]]: Once Alan Alda got creative control. |
* [[Anvilicious]]: Once Alan Alda got creative control. |
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** Although it should be noted that "Hawkeye" was written and filmed before Alda took creative control of the show. |
** Although it should be noted that "Hawkeye" was written and filmed before Alda took creative control of the show. |
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* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Klinger |
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Klinger |
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* [[Fair for Its Day]]: The episode "George" comes off today as extremely dated, handling the subject of homosexuality in the military poorly and misleadingly. However, in the 1970's, having an episode that portrayed a gay soldier as a sympathetic character and a courageous Marine was really quite amazing. |
* [[Fair for Its Day]]: The episode "George" comes off today as extremely dated, handling the subject of homosexuality in the military poorly and misleadingly. However, in the 1970's, having an episode that portrayed a gay soldier as a sympathetic character and a courageous Marine was really quite amazing. |
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** Although technically, it ''should'' be dated, as it takes place in the '50s with '50s sensitivities. |
** Although technically, it ''should'' be dated, as it takes place in the '50s with '50s sensitivities. |
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* [[Foe Yay]]: Played straight with Hawkeye and Margaret (and, in some early episodes, with Trapper and Margaret). |
* [[Foe Yay]]: Played straight with Hawkeye and Margaret (and, in some early episodes, with Trapper and Margaret). |
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* [[Funny Aneurysm Moment]]: In a very early episode, Margaret (who has an absolutely gorgeous curvy body, by the way) is feeling self-conscious about her weight and laughs about "throwing up" later to lose it. Bulimia was not a well-known disease in the early '70s, let alone the early '50s. |
* [[Funny Aneurysm Moment]]: In a very early episode, Margaret (who has an absolutely gorgeous curvy body, by the way) is feeling self-conscious about her weight and laughs about "throwing up" later to lose it. Bulimia was not a well-known disease in the early '70s, let alone the early '50s. |
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** Also, the episode "Blood Brothers" guest stars Patrick Swayze as a patient diagnosed with leukemia. |
** Also, the episode "Blood Brothers" guest stars Patrick Swayze as a patient diagnosed with leukemia. |
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*** In-universe example: in one of the early seasons, Hawkeye pretends to be having a psychological breakdown in order to get leave in Tokyo. Cue the series finale. |
*** In-universe example: in one of the early seasons, Hawkeye pretends to be having a psychological breakdown in order to get leave in Tokyo. Cue the series finale. |
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*** In "O.R.", Hawkeye tells Henry that he'll die an old man in his bed in Bloomington, Illinois. ''Ouch'', show. |
*** In "O.R.", Hawkeye tells Henry that he'll die an old man in his bed in Bloomington, Illinois. ''Ouch'', show. |
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* [[Growing the Beard]]: Though opinions may vary, the series became a good deal more thoughtful, sincere, and mature with the departure of Trapper and Colonel Blake and the arrival of BJ and Colonel Potter. Of course, some would say the beard became ''over''grown and the series verged on [[Wangst]] the more control Alan Alda gained over it. |
* [[Growing the Beard]]: Though opinions may vary, the series became a good deal more thoughtful, sincere, and mature with the departure of Trapper and Colonel Blake and the arrival of BJ and Colonel Potter. Of course, some would say the beard became ''over''grown and the series verged on [[Wangst]] the more control Alan Alda gained over it. |
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** "Growing The Moustache," perhaps? The rule with some fans is to skip any episode where BJ has a moustache - those last seasons are the ones with the highest quotient of [[Wangst]], [[Anvilicious|Anviliciousness]], and [[Cerebus Syndrome]]. |
** "Growing The Moustache," perhaps? The rule with some fans is to skip any episode where BJ has a moustache - those last seasons are the ones with the highest quotient of [[Wangst]], [[Anvilicious|Anviliciousness]], and [[Cerebus Syndrome]]. |
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* [[Heartwarming Moments]]: [[Real Life]] example: The Hawkeye of the film, Donald Sutherland told a story on a talk show about when he was standing next to his television counterpart Alan Alda in a receiving line for the Queen of England. Alda whispered in Sutherland's ear: "Thank you for my life." |
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* [[Ho Yay]]: [http://iconillusion.livejournal.com/99871.html Hawkeye and Trapper], big-time. |
* [[Ho Yay]]: [http://iconillusion.livejournal.com/99871.html Hawkeye and Trapper], big-time. |
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** Hawkeye and B.J. also had their moments. From the final episode: |
** Hawkeye and B.J. also had their moments. From the final episode: |
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** "What if I were dying? Would you hold me and let me die in your arms, or leave me on the floor to bleed?" |
** "What if I were dying? Would you hold me and let me die in your arms, or leave me on the floor to bleed?" |
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** When Blake is saying his goodbyes in "Abyssinia, Henry", he holds out his hand for Hawkeye, who says, "I'm afraid just a handshake won't do it, Henry," and promptly smooches him on both cheeks. |
** When Blake is saying his goodbyes in "Abyssinia, Henry", he holds out his hand for Hawkeye, who says, "I'm afraid just a handshake won't do it, Henry," and promptly smooches him on both cheeks. |
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** Henry and [[Hypercompetent Sidekick|Radar.]] They spend an indecent amount of time cuddling in the showers in "The Sniper". |
** Henry and [[Hypercompetent Sidekick|Radar.]] They spend an indecent amount of time cuddling in the showers in "The Sniper". |
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** [http://coffeecat.populli.net/slashyquotes/mash/ This website] has a list of every single slashy quote from the entire series. It's... extensive. |
** [http://coffeecat.populli.net/slashyquotes/mash/ This website] has a list of every single slashy quote from the entire series. It's... extensive. |
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* [[It Was His Sled]]: Henry's death. |
* [[It Was His Sled]]: Henry's death. |
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* [[Narm]]: Any time Trapper would dramatically declare his longing to be home with his wife and the horrors of being separated from his family by the war, since chances were almost 100% that the episode would also show him thoroughly enjoying her absence with whatever hot girl crossed his path. Possibly the same with Colonel Blake, though since he was often less brazen and smug about his conquests, it didn't cause quite so much dissonance. |
* [[Narm]]: Any time Trapper would dramatically declare his longing to be home with his wife and the horrors of being separated from his family by the war, since chances were almost 100% that the episode would also show him thoroughly enjoying her absence with whatever hot girl crossed his path. Possibly the same with Colonel Blake, though since he was often less brazen and smug about his conquests, it didn't cause quite so much dissonance. |
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* [[Narm Charm]]: Sometimes, the camera will zoom in anvilly on the actor's face when they talk. But usually the moments are so emotional (see BJ's breakdown in "Period Of Adjustment") that you don't really mind. |
* [[Narm Charm]]: Sometimes, the camera will zoom in anvilly on the actor's face when they talk. But usually the moments are so emotional (see BJ's breakdown in "Period Of Adjustment") that you don't really mind. |
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* [[Older Than They Think]]: Alan Alda's Hawkeye talks and acts a lot like [[Marx Brothers|Groucho Marx]]. Then again, he was often deliberately imitating Groucho. |
* [[Older Than They Think]]: Alan Alda's Hawkeye talks and acts a lot like [[Marx Brothers|Groucho Marx]]. Then again, he was often deliberately imitating Groucho. |
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* [[Politically-Correct History]]: One episode claims that America is apparently the only country in the world that doesn't happily acknowledge and take in the half-Korean children sired by their soldiers. *cough*"[[wikipedia:Comfort women|Comfort women]]"*cough* |
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* [[Recycled Script]]: Plenty, but of note is the seventh season episode "Preventative Medicine" had a plot that was essentially the same as that of the first season episode "The Ringbanger". In keeping with the show's [[Cerebus Syndrome|gradual slide into drama]], however, the psychological gaslighting of the original was changed to coercing the victim into unnecessary surgery, to which B.J. [[What the Hell, Hero?|took a moral objection]]. |
* [[Recycled Script]]: Plenty, but of note is the seventh season episode "Preventative Medicine" had a plot that was essentially the same as that of the first season episode "The Ringbanger". In keeping with the show's [[Cerebus Syndrome|gradual slide into drama]], however, the psychological gaslighting of the original was changed to coercing the victim into unnecessary surgery, to which B.J. [[What the Hell, Hero?|took a moral objection]]. |
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** The "sidelining an officer via unnecessary surgery" angle had itself been used before, in a secondary plot involving Col. Flagg in season 3's "White Gold". |
** The "sidelining an officer via unnecessary surgery" angle had itself been used before, in a secondary plot involving Col. Flagg in season 3's "White Gold". |
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* [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]]: Some younger viewers may wonder what the big deal is, but you can thank ''M*A*S*H'' for pretty much every [[Dramedy]] series that's come in its wake. |
* [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]]: Some younger viewers may wonder what the big deal is, but you can thank ''M*A*S*H'' for pretty much every [[Dramedy]] series that's come in its wake. |
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** Also quite possibly the entire concept of a medical procedural. |
** Also quite possibly the entire concept of a medical procedural. |
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* [[Straw Man Has a Point]]: In the episode where Hawkeye is (wrongly) declared dead, he spends a fair part of the episode snarking to Frank about "I'm dead! I don't have to do what you say!" When it comes time to hand out pay, Frank tells Pierce he can't get paid because he's dead, and adds, "Not so fun being dead now, is it?" Which is one of the few times Frank has a point. Hawkeye doesn't exactly help his case by then immediately leaping to ''attacking'' Frank... if he'd been "alive" he would probably have wound up court marshaled. |
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* [[Tear Jerker]]: Several. "Abyssinia Henry", "Good-bye Radar", the finale, etc. |
* [[Tear Jerker]]: Several. "Abyssinia Henry", "Good-bye Radar", the finale, etc. |
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** Of special note is the death of Hawkeye's visiting friend Tommy in "Sometimes You Hear the Bullet", the earliest sign that the show would be progressing beyond lighthearted sitcom hijinks. |
** Of special note is the death of Hawkeye's visiting friend Tommy in "Sometimes You Hear the Bullet", the earliest sign that the show would be progressing beyond lighthearted sitcom hijinks. |
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** {{spoiler|Colonel Henry Blake's death being announced. Or at least implied. The montage didn't help much either.}} |
** {{spoiler|Colonel Henry Blake's death being announced. Or at least implied. The montage didn't help much either.}} |
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* [[Values Dissonance]]: The episode where Hawkeye, BJ and Col. Potter arrive at camp driving drunk in celebration of making a General look ridiculous may have been a standard comedy business in the late 1970s, but now a typical viewer, well aware of the dangers of drinking and driving would be alarmed that they could have killed someone, or themselves. |
* [[Values Dissonance]]: The episode where Hawkeye, BJ and Col. Potter arrive at camp driving drunk in celebration of making a General look ridiculous may have been a standard comedy business in the late 1970s, but now a typical viewer, well aware of the dangers of drinking and driving would be alarmed that they could have killed someone, or themselves. |
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** "Trapper" John got his nickname by raping a woman. This story is told as an amusing anecdote occasionally. Fans of the character [[Draco in Leather Pants|attempt to defend this]] by saying that no one ever actually uses the word "rape" or specifically says the girl didn't consent... except for, y'know, the girl fleeing him through an entire train until he finally managed to "trap 'er" in a toilet. |
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* [[The Woobie]]: Pretty much everyone was this at least once. Yes, including [[Jerkass Woobie|Frank]]. |
* [[The Woobie]]: Pretty much everyone was this at least once. Yes, including [[Jerkass Woobie|Frank]]. |
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Latest revision as of 19:49, 20 April 2017
- Adaptation Displacement: Most are aware that it's based on the 1970 film, but how many fans know of Richard Hooker's MASH: A Novel About Three Army Doctors (1968) that inspired the film?
- Alternative Character Interpretation: It might just be fandom overthinking things but the LiveJournal consensus on Hawkeye is that he's bisexual and manic-depressive.
- To be fair, the LiveJournal consensus on everyone is that they're bisexual and manic-depressive.
- There is also some debate about whether or not Hawkeye is supposed to be an Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist or Heroic Sociopath who happened to share the writer's political beliefs or an Author Avatar/Marty Stu who swerved into Jerkass territory. Or any position inbetween.
- There is also debate about how sympathetic or unsympathetic we are supposed to feel towards Frank. Is he just a stupid Jerkass? Or a stupid Jerkass whom, nevertheless, did not deserve to be bullied and tortured the way he was? A doctor who was cracking under pressure? Or, a demented, deeply disturbed sociopathic Man Child who was actually dangerous (recall the time he tried to get Hawkeye hanged.)?
- Anvilicious: Once Alan Alda got creative control.
- Awesome Music: A special, more military version of the "Suicide Is Painless" theme was used for parts of "Bug Out", parts One and Two (Which, incidentally, was the series' first Cliff Hanger episodes), including one point where the climax is hit during a shot of Potter and Houlihan on top of Sophie, Potter's horse. The music was never used for any other episode.
- Badass Decay: Few fans remember that crazy CIA agent Col. Flagg was a seriously dangerous character in his first appearance, even pulling a pistol on Hawkeye.
- He was also far more laid back and even participated in the camp poker game.
- Black Hole Sue: Also once Alan Alda got creative control. Hawkeye became the center of the universe, the linchpin of reason and sense. While still fallible and capable of making mistakes, his opinions were nevertheless the moral compass others were meant to set their course by, and everyone from Father Mulcahey to Colonel Potter came to him for advice regularly. Probably the most blatant this got was the aptly-named episode "Hawkeye", which is pretty much literally nothing but a thirty minute long stream of consciousness monologue by Alda.
- Although it should be noted that "Hawkeye" was written and filmed before Alda took creative control of the show.
- Ensemble Darkhorse: Klinger
- Fair for Its Day: The episode "George" comes off today as extremely dated, handling the subject of homosexuality in the military poorly and misleadingly. However, in the 1970's, having an episode that portrayed a gay soldier as a sympathetic character and a courageous Marine was really quite amazing.
- Although technically, it should be dated, as it takes place in the '50s with '50s sensitivities.
- Foe Yay: Played straight with Hawkeye and Margaret (and, in some early episodes, with Trapper and Margaret).
- Funny Aneurysm Moment: In a very early episode, Margaret (who has an absolutely gorgeous curvy body, by the way) is feeling self-conscious about her weight and laughs about "throwing up" later to lose it. Bulimia was not a well-known disease in the early '70s, let alone the early '50s.
- Also, the episode "Blood Brothers" guest stars Patrick Swayze as a patient diagnosed with leukemia.
- In-universe example: in one of the early seasons, Hawkeye pretends to be having a psychological breakdown in order to get leave in Tokyo. Cue the series finale.
- In "O.R.", Hawkeye tells Henry that he'll die an old man in his bed in Bloomington, Illinois. Ouch, show.
- In a first-season episode "Dear Dad, Again", Hawkeye says that he's surprised Father Mulcahey doesn't "go deaf from the sound of all the commandments breaking around him". In the series finale, Father Mulcahey's hearing is severely damaged by a nearby mortar round.
- In season 1's "Henry Please Come Home", Blake tells Hawkeye, "One of these days Frank's gonna throw the book at you, and I won't be around to help." Sure enough, in "The Novocaine Mutiny", Frank has Hawkeye court-martialed for alleged mutiny.
- Also, the episode "Blood Brothers" guest stars Patrick Swayze as a patient diagnosed with leukemia.
- Growing the Beard: Though opinions may vary, the series became a good deal more thoughtful, sincere, and mature with the departure of Trapper and Colonel Blake and the arrival of BJ and Colonel Potter. Of course, some would say the beard became overgrown and the series verged on Wangst the more control Alan Alda gained over it.
- "Growing The Moustache," perhaps? The rule with some fans is to skip any episode where BJ has a moustache - those last seasons are the ones with the highest quotient of Wangst, Anviliciousness, and Cerebus Syndrome.
- Heartwarming Moments: Real Life example: The Hawkeye of the film, Donald Sutherland told a story on a talk show about when he was standing next to his television counterpart Alan Alda in a receiving line for the Queen of England. Alda whispered in Sutherland's ear: "Thank you for my life."
- Ho Yay: Hawkeye and Trapper, big-time.
- Hawkeye and B.J. also had their moments. From the final episode:
- "What if I were dying? Would you hold me and let me die in your arms, or leave me on the floor to bleed?"
- When Blake is saying his goodbyes in "Abyssinia, Henry", he holds out his hand for Hawkeye, who says, "I'm afraid just a handshake won't do it, Henry," and promptly smooches him on both cheeks.
- Henry and Radar. They spend an indecent amount of time cuddling in the showers in "The Sniper".
- This website has a list of every single slashy quote from the entire series. It's... extensive.
- It Was His Sled: Henry's death.
- Jerkass Woobie: Frank could be considered one of these. While he often acts in a way that makes you want to see karma bite him in the ass, karma bites him so often and so mercilessly that it's easy to actually feel sorry for him. Particularly after Margaret left him and he became progressively more unhinged; even Hawkeye and BJ eased up on him during that time.
- Also, despite how bad he was, Hawkeye and his current bunkmate often treated him so badly that they wound up looking worse. Especially when it was something like, say, Frank getting a new pair of really nice socks, and not letting Hawkeye have them instead. Apparently this made Frank the asshole in the situation.
- Also, the one early episode where Frank had a prank war with Hawkeye and Trapper, in which he got to be reasonably clever and witty and came off as almost likeable, was forgotten by the writers so fast it made your head spin.
- Memetic Mutation: "I'm not as think as you drunk I am!" is possibly courtesy of a very drunk Margaret Houlihan from the episode "Hot Lips and Empty Arms".
- Moral Event Horizon: Frank was always a Jerkass, but having Hawkeye court-martialed on spurious charges knowing perfectly well that Hawkeye would be executed if he was found guilty...?
- Narm: Any time Trapper would dramatically declare his longing to be home with his wife and the horrors of being separated from his family by the war, since chances were almost 100% that the episode would also show him thoroughly enjoying her absence with whatever hot girl crossed his path. Possibly the same with Colonel Blake, though since he was often less brazen and smug about his conquests, it didn't cause quite so much dissonance.
- Narm Charm: Sometimes, the camera will zoom in anvilly on the actor's face when they talk. But usually the moments are so emotional (see BJ's breakdown in "Period Of Adjustment") that you don't really mind.
- Nightmare Fuel: The episode "Dreams" had a very Twilight Zone-y feel to it. As it includes dream scenes like Margaret in a bloody wedding dress and Hawkeye losing his arms and screaming to the sound of helicopters.
- The ghosts in "Follies of the Living - Concerns of the Dead".
- Older Than They Think: Alan Alda's Hawkeye talks and acts a lot like Groucho Marx. Then again, he was often deliberately imitating Groucho.
- Politically-Correct History: One episode claims that America is apparently the only country in the world that doesn't happily acknowledge and take in the half-Korean children sired by their soldiers. *cough*"Comfort women"*cough*
- Recycled Script: Plenty, but of note is the seventh season episode "Preventative Medicine" had a plot that was essentially the same as that of the first season episode "The Ringbanger". In keeping with the show's gradual slide into drama, however, the psychological gaslighting of the original was changed to coercing the victim into unnecessary surgery, to which B.J. took a moral objection.
- The "sidelining an officer via unnecessary surgery" angle had itself been used before, in a secondary plot involving Col. Flagg in season 3's "White Gold".
- Two conversations between Hawkeye and his nominal nemeses (Frank and Charles) were recycled pretty closely in subject matter. Being the different characters they were and the different points in the show, though, the scene with Frank saying he came from a loveless home was Played for Laughs, while Charles' admission of a distant family life and envy of Hawkeye was treated as showing his good side.
- Retroactive Recognition: Quite a few. George Wendt (Cheers), a very young Patrick Swayze, and so on.
- Seasonal Rot: Although exactly when it first set in is a matter of some dispute.
- It is, however, generally agreed to have set in by the time Alan Alda had seized almost complete creative control.
- Seinfeld Is Unfunny: Some younger viewers may wonder what the big deal is, but you can thank M*A*S*H for pretty much every Dramedy series that's come in its wake.
- Also quite possibly the entire concept of a medical procedural.
- Straw Man Has a Point: In the episode where Hawkeye is (wrongly) declared dead, he spends a fair part of the episode snarking to Frank about "I'm dead! I don't have to do what you say!" When it comes time to hand out pay, Frank tells Pierce he can't get paid because he's dead, and adds, "Not so fun being dead now, is it?" Which is one of the few times Frank has a point. Hawkeye doesn't exactly help his case by then immediately leaping to attacking Frank... if he'd been "alive" he would probably have wound up court marshaled.
- Tear Jerker: Several. "Abyssinia Henry", "Good-bye Radar", the finale, etc.
- Of special note is the death of Hawkeye's visiting friend Tommy in "Sometimes You Hear the Bullet", the earliest sign that the show would be progressing beyond lighthearted sitcom hijinks.
- Season 11, "Run for the Money." Winchester takes a liking to a patient and the reasons why are rather touching.
- Season 9, "Death Takes a Holiday." Winchester's heart of gold is revealed and it is rather touching.
- Colonel Henry Blake's death being announced. Or at least implied. The montage didn't help much either.
- Values Dissonance: The episode where Hawkeye, BJ and Col. Potter arrive at camp driving drunk in celebration of making a General look ridiculous may have been a standard comedy business in the late 1970s, but now a typical viewer, well aware of the dangers of drinking and driving would be alarmed that they could have killed someone, or themselves.
- The Woobie: Pretty much everyone was this at least once. Yes, including Frank.