Defeat Means Friendship: Difference between revisions

*** Though, according to ch78, not the entire story - {{spoiler|Kid, being a naive rich guy with symmetry on the brain, comes to find the pair known as the 'Demons of Brooklyn' to have them as his Weapons. They agree originally because they want his money, and only later come to realise they genuinely [[Crowning Moment of Heartwarming|like]] being with the boy.}} The Defeat's there, but the Friendship took time.

** Black Star tries a new job as Warrior Therapist when he faces Crona. It doesn't work, for if anything Crona's mental state is worse, and no amount of [[My Kung Fu Is Stronger Than Yours|Kung Fu Strength]] was enough to snap them out of it.

** The current title of most befriended goes to Vivio, who took the title from Fate when {{spoiler|she received five [[Wave Motion Gun|Starlight Breakers]] ''at the same time'' and managed to remain conscious ''and'' stand on her own afterwards. A considerable feat since Fate couldn't even claim that when Nanoha struck her with one.}} Nanoha officially adopts Vivio as her daughter afterwards.

*** {{spoiler|In Fate's defense, Vivio was powered up well beyond her normal capacity by a Lost Logia at the time. Also, Fate was weakened by a Divine Buster just prior to being hit by the Starlight Breaker.}}

** Lampshaded in the [[All There in the Manual|third Megami]] [[Audio Adaptation|sound stage]], where Hayate, in response to Erio and Caro becoming friends with Lutecia (whom they had defeated in the final battle), and the reformed Numbers cyborgs, notes that children have an amazing capacity for forgiveness. Similarly, in ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid]]'', Vivio acknowledges that while she is friends with Lutecia and the Numbers now, they were involved in her kidnapping from Section 6 four years ago.

** Referenced in episode 12 of ''[[Kämpfer]]'' when Seppuku Bunny (voiced by Nanoha's voice actress) threatens to befriend several other characters just before they're about to fight.

** Jokingly brought up in [[The Movie]] sound stages, the full excerpt is on the [[Ascended Meme]] page.

* This is a recurring theme in ''[[Pokémon (anime)|Pokémon]]'':

* ''[[Flame of Recca]]'' is notorious for this, particularly during the [[Tournament Arc]]. People who were trying to kill Team Hokage just hours ago are suddenly eating snacks, playing videogames, and sharing stories with our heroes in their hotel room.

** And one of them creates a fan club for Fuko.

* In ''[[Harlem Beat]]'', almost all rival teams become this with Johnan team.

* Possibly subverted in ''[[Black Lagoon]]'': Chang and Balalaika became friends after their (intended) fight to the death turned out a draw.

* Averted in ''[[wikipedia:ShootFighter Tekken|Shootfighter Tekken]]''. Kiichi defeats Kiba handily after a long and grueling fight, but Kiba still thinks he's just some punk kid. After telling him what a damn fool he was for being merciful, Kiba probably continues to be a massive asshole of a teacher.

* In the [[Shoujo Demographic]] manga ''[[Crown]]'', bad guys come after [[The Ingenue|Mahiro]], get their butts kicked by [[Badass|Ren and Jake]], and then hang around and help with the housework.

* ''[[Amazing Agent Luna]]'' has Luna {{spoiler|offering her protection to the [[Evil Twin|evil clone]] she had just defeated}}.

* From ''[[Liar Game]]'', the only times that Nao does lie is to help out those in the game. And once she advances to the next round, she gives her winnings to them, so they could pay off their debts. Once she does, they see that her honest character isn't faked and they become friends/allies with her to help ''her'' advance. Best example would be Fukunaga and Akagi.

* Hayato from ''[[Future GPX Cyber Formula]]'' makes friends with Kaga, Osamu, Shinjyo, Johji and others after a few or more races with them, although he made friends with Kaga and Johji ''before'' the race started.

* Played straight with some villains-of-the-week (such as Bucci) in ''[[Gun X Sword]]''. Subverted in that this is what {{spoiler|The Claw}} wants, or claims to want, with all of his enemies. In the latter case, the desire to make friends with everyone comes across as a sign of [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|extremism]] at best, and insanity at worst.

* This is standard operating procedure for ''[[Sailor Moon]]''. Usagi believes that there is always a way to solve things without violence or killing and that somewhere inside of them, everyone has some good to them. While there are some villains she has to outright destroy, she has a pretty good track record of turning enemies into friends.

* One arc of ''[[Sakigake Otokojuku]]'' featured a bunch of transfer students from the closest thing to Otokojuku anywhere else in the world—the prep school for the Annapolis naval academy. Principal Edajima organized a series of "friendly" boxing matches between select new students and old students, ostensibly as a bonding exercise. In reality, the gloves used in the matches were metal and covered in spikes. The American students all lost their matches, but became the best of pals with their adversaries (and the Japanese students in general); when time came for the new arrivals to head home, unofficial class leaders Momotaro Tsurugi and Kieth Jackson both state that they cherished their time together.

* There's an interesting variant in ''[[Claymore]]''. {{spoiler|Miria}} vows not kill any of her former comrades when she leads a revolt against The Organization. She fights and defeats all of them... only to get butchered horribly when they regenerate. {{spoiler|Her resolve not to kill inspired every single enemy Claymore to defect to her side and they faked her death.}}

* In ''[[Holyland]]'', {{spoiler|Iwado, Shougo, Taka and Tsuchiya}} after their defeat by Yuu.

 

== Comic Books ==

**** Well, the Rebels didn't exactly make a habit of being easy to find, especially to the Imperial Navy. Defections are somewhat more difficult when the enemy army is almost always in hiding.

* In the ''[[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mirage]]'' comics, Casey Jones spent most of his first appearance having a knock-down-drag-out brawl with Raphael over Casey's overly violent street vigilantism. Raphael ultimately won, and Casey thereupon became one of the turtles' closest allies and Raphael's best friend. The [[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003|2003 cartoon]] had a similar sequence.

* This trope is how [[Popeye (comic strip)|Popeye]] befriends Toar, the immortal caveman. After Toar admits defeat ("You hit too hard, no fight crazy fool like you!"), Popeye offers him a friendship and Toar accepts.

 

== Fan Works ==

* In ''[[Solatorobo]]'', a quest with Alman has him asking Red to teach his new apprentice to work harder. The apprentice wants none of it, telling them to leave him alone, and eventually prompts Red to fight him. Once beaten, his attitude does a 180 and he'll do anything "Boss" Red tells him to, including working as hard as he possibly can.

* Whenever you defeat an enemy in ''[[Monster Girl Quest Paradox]]'', there's a chance that they'll regain consciousness and ask to join the party. Many bosses are outright guaranteed to do this when defeated. This is justified in-universe as well, since monsters follow [[Authority Equals Asskicking]].

 

== Visual Novels ==

* Salah-al-Din, a Muslim warlord of Kurdish ancestry, became something of a [[Proud Warrior Race Guy|"Noble Heathen"]] folk hero to Europeans following his conquest of Jerusalem, which inspired the Third Crusade. According to legend, Saladin made friends with Richard the Lionheart, although in real life they more or less fought each other to a standstill and never met in person.

** Most importantly was what Salah-al-Din (romanticized as Saladin) ''didn't'' do: when he conquered Jerusalem, he ''didn't slaughter the Christians or Jews living there.'' This is the absolute opposite of what European Crusaders had done when they first took Jerusalem - the Crusaders mercilessly slaughtered every Muslim and as many Jews as they could find. When Salah-al-Din took Jerusalem back, Europe was positive news of massacre would follow, but they never did. Salah-al-Din simply took the city back and nothing more. Hence, the legend of the Noble Heathen.

* Also the reason why the Nepali Gurkhas fights in the British Army. In 1814, the British invaded the Kingdom of Nepal in order to expand the British Empire; however the Gurkhas fought the British so hard that the British only managed to conquer a third of Nepali land and even than it took them two years and large numbers of casualties to do so. The British were however impressed by the Gurkhas' fighting spirits and abilities so ever since 1816 they have recruited Gurkhas in their forces.

** The trope was still played straight with white Northern and Southerners after the end of the Civil War, unlike some other places where a civil war leads to a [[Cycle of Revenge]]. Unfortunately it was done at the expense of America's black population, who lost a lot of the initial gains (there were several black members of Congress during Reconstruction, and many black members of southern state governments; after that it was effective disenfranchisement and Jim Crow in the south, and a refusal to recognize black contributions to the Union cause during the Civil War) they had made post-war.

* This is actually how Rome grew as fast as it did. Those it defeated in battle were treated well and made a part of the Roman Empire. This is actually why Carthage was unable to defeat Rome despite doing so well earlier on in the Punic wars; [[The Power of Friendship|Rome's allies wouldn't abandon it.]] Even though the Roman Empire [[What You Are in the Dark|wouldn't have lasted to do anything about it if they had]].

* [[Howard Stern]] often gained the praises or at least acceptance of many former radio and celebrity rivals once he established his ratings supremacy and celebrity credibility.

* The first encounter of Turkey and Australia was on opposing sides of a battlefield in [[World War I]]. The conflict was both fierce and gentlemanly - an odd combination which, despite the eventual defeat of the Australian forces, created a bond of mutual respect, admiration, and friendship between the nations which continues to this day.

 

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