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*** Everything that Angelus became is a direct consequence of a conscious choice that Liam made. Darla offered to make him a vampire. He wasn't mislead, he wasn't taken by force, the choice was laid squarely in his lap and he said, of his own free will and his own volition, "Show me your world." Liam may not be Angelus, but everything that Angelus has ever done is because Liam chose to become Angelus.
**** Darla never said anything about vampirism. How could Liam have possibly known? Boy just thought he was going to get laid.
**** Liability only attaches to ''foreseeable'' outcomes of choices, or choices that would have been foreseeable by the 'reasonable man test'. Had Liam willingly chosen to become a vampire like Ford tried to -- i.e., knowing ahead of time that he's going to become an immortal monster -- then yes, he'd be morally responsible for Angelus. But as just pointed out, Liam ''didn't'' know what Darla was really offering. Any more than William Pratt knew what Drusilla was really offering.
** There's a bit of dialog between Holtz and Wesley in Angel S3 "Loyalty" that gets at some of the question nicely.
*** Holtz is about as far away from being an unbiased authority on this topic as you could possibly find.
** Angelus killed Giles' girlfriend and tried to kill most of the Scoobies. Interlectually they might know that Angelus and Angel are different people, but emotionally they still see the monster. Same for Angel's guilt. He might know that it wasn't really him doing all those terrible things, but it still feels like it was him.
{{quote|'''Wesley''': If it's a sacrifice you require, take me. Angel's no more responsible for the crimes of Angelus than I am.
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**** It's perhaps most clearly shown in S4 [[Angel]] when Faith is in Angel/Angelus' mind - after he got a soul, he still drank innocent blood at least once. Maybe, since people with souls can be evil too, Angel has an darker side, and simply assumes that that's Angelus - so when he feels like doing something wrong, he thinks it's because he's still part-Angelus and what Angelus did was because of the darker part of himself. Because vampires are basically the worst of us, Angel probably thinks that must mean he was (and is) a worse person than everybody else in order to do those things.
** Angel, at least, feels responsible for Angelus's actions because he remembers doing them. Worse, he remembers just how much fun Angelus had doing them. Those memories of the century he spent bringing pain and death to everyone he met? Those memories ''still'' bring a song to his lips. So yeah, he feels responsible for them.
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