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{{quote|''There are ''seven'' deadly sins, Captain. Gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, pride, lust, and envy. Seven... You can expect five more of these.''|'''William Somerset'''}}
{{quote|''There are ''seven'' deadly sins, Captain. Gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, pride, lust, and envy. Seven... You can expect five more of these.''|'''William Somerset'''}}
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''Se7en'' (or ''Seven'') is a 1995 American crime/horror/thriller film, directed by [[David Fincher]] of ''[[Fight Club]]'' fame and staring [[Morgan Freeman]] and [[Brad Pitt]] as homicide detectives Somerset and Mills. Somerset is about to retire and be replaced by Mills in the department, but the two get caught up in a string of murders, each inspired by the [[Seven Deadly Sins]] and all caused by one intelligent and elusive [[Serial Killer]]. A distinctive dark atmosphere and a skillful balance of [[Gory Discretion Shot|Gory Discretion Shots]] ends up creating a far more disturbing product than the [[Gorn]] films that try and emulate it. Often ranked with ''[[The Silence of the Lambs]]'' and ''[[Psycho]]'' as the pinnacle of serial killer fiction.
''Se7en'' (or ''Seven'') is a 1995 American crime/horror/thriller film, directed by [[David Fincher]] of ''[[Fight Club]]'' fame and staring [[Morgan Freeman]] and [[Brad Pitt]] as homicide detectives Somerset and Mills. Somerset is about to retire and be replaced by Mills in the department, but the two get caught up in a string of murders, each inspired by the [[Seven Deadly Sins]] and all caused by one intelligent and elusive [[Serial Killer]]. A distinctive dark atmosphere and a skillful balance of [[Gory Discretion Shot|Gory Discretion Shots]] ends up creating a far more disturbing product than the [[Gorn]] films that try and emulate it. Often ranked with ''[[The Silence of the Lambs]]'' and ''[[Psycho]]'' as the pinnacle of serial killer fiction.


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{{tropelist}}
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* [[All There Is to Know About "The Crying Game"]]: {{spoiler|It's Det. Mills' wife's head in the box.}}
* [[All There Is to Know About "The Crying Game"]]: {{spoiler|It's Det. Mills' wife's head in the box.}}
** And {{spoiler|Kevin Spacey is the villain.}}
** And {{spoiler|Kevin Spacey is the villain.}}
* [[Amoral Attorney]]: The Greed victim was a prominent lawyer named [[Greedy Jew|Eli Gould]].
* [[Amoral Attorney]]: The Greed victim was a prominent lawyer named [[Greedy Jew|Eli Gould]].
* [[And I Must Scream]]: Sloth. {{spoiler|He is kept in his flat, alive, for one year, immobilized, occasionally given antibiotics so as not to die from his bedsores. By the time he's saved, his mind no longer functions.}}
* [[And I Must Scream]]: Sloth. {{spoiler|He is kept in his flat, alive, for one year, immobilized, occasionally given antibiotics so as not to die from his bedsores. By the time he's saved, his mind no longer functions.}}
* [[Asshole Victim]]: According to the villain. His victims are chosen based on what he consider to be their (unforgivably) negative traits. Though their "sins" range from being fat to being a drug-dealing pederast. The movie does not contain any indication that the victims for gluttony, lust, and pride were bad people in any way, unless you take the villain's "[[From a Certain Point of View]]" for gospel -- or share his hatred of lawyers, overweight people, sex-workers, and vain women.
* [[Asshole Victim]]: According to the villain. His victims are chosen based on what he consider to be their (unforgivably) negative traits. Though their "sins" range from being fat to being a drug-dealing pederast. The movie does not contain any indication that the victims for gluttony, lust, and pride were bad people in any way, unless you take the villain's "[[From a Certain Point of View]]" for gospel -- or share his hatred of lawyers, overweight people, sex-workers, and vain women.
* [[Auto Cannibalism]]: The Sloth victim bit off and ate [[Tongue Trauma|his own tongue]].
* [[Auto Cannibalism]]: The Sloth victim bit off and ate [[Tongue Trauma|his own tongue]].
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* [[Beauty Equals Goodness]]: A good part of John Doe's self justification for the Gluttony murder.
* [[Beauty Equals Goodness]]: A good part of John Doe's self justification for the Gluttony murder.
** And yet he goes the opposite route with the Pride murder. His own sin, the one that he would admit to, is Envy after all.
** And yet he goes the opposite route with the Pride murder. His own sin, the one that he would admit to, is Envy after all.
* [[Big No]]: {{spoiler|Mills after he discovers that his wife is dead}}.
* [[Big No]]: {{spoiler|Mills after he discovers that his wife is dead}}.
* [[Black and White Insanity]]: John Doe, arguably. The film, however, does go out of its way to point out that John Doe ''isn't'' completely insane - which is in some ways even more frightening than if he was.
* [[Black and White Insanity]]: John Doe, arguably. The film, however, does go out of its way to point out that John Doe ''isn't'' completely insane - which is in some ways even more frightening than if he was.
* [[Body Horror]]: Gluttony, pride, sloth... and John Doe's [[Fingore|removal of fingerprints]].
* [[Body Horror]]: Gluttony, pride, sloth... and John Doe's [[Fingore|removal of fingerprints]].
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* [[The Chessmaster]]: John Doe.
* [[The Chessmaster]]: John Doe.
* [[City with No Name]]: It appears to be a composite of New York and Los Angeles [[City Noir|noir cities]].
* [[City with No Name]]: It appears to be a composite of New York and Los Angeles [[City Noir|noir cities]].
* [[Click Hello]]: {{spoiler|John Doe does this to Mills after the chase.}}
* [[Click. "Hello."]]: {{spoiler|John Doe does this to Mills after the chase.}}
* [[Cluster F-Bomb]]: Detective Mills, M-I-L-L-S, ''fuck off!''
* [[Cluster F-Bomb]]: Detective Mills, M-I-L-L-S, ''fuck off!''
{{quote|'''Mills:''' Fucking Dante! Goddamn poetry-writing faggot, piece of shit! Fucker!}}
{{quote|'''Mills:''' Fucking Dante! Goddamn poetry-writing faggot, piece of shit! Fucker!}}
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* [[Death by Disfigurement]]: Invoked with the Pride victim, who killed herself. {{spoiler|John Doe picked a very beautiful and vain woman and disfigured her, presumably to the point that plastic surgery would have been unable to restore her face. He then glued a phone into one hand (so she could call 911), and a bottle of sleeping pills into the other (so she could commit suicide). According to the villain, the woman was so full of pride that she swallowed the pills rather than go through the rest of her life with scars.}}
* [[Death by Disfigurement]]: Invoked with the Pride victim, who killed herself. {{spoiler|John Doe picked a very beautiful and vain woman and disfigured her, presumably to the point that plastic surgery would have been unable to restore her face. He then glued a phone into one hand (so she could call 911), and a bottle of sleeping pills into the other (so she could commit suicide). According to the villain, the woman was so full of pride that she swallowed the pills rather than go through the rest of her life with scars.}}
{{quote|'''Dr. O'Neill:''' He cut off her nose.
{{quote|'''Dr. O'Neill:''' He cut off her nose.
'''Somerset:''' To spite her face. }}
'''Somerset:''' To spite her face.}}
* [[Death by Gluttony]]: Invoked with the Gluttony victim.
* [[Death by Gluttony]]: Invoked with the Gluttony victim.
* [[Death by Sex]]: Invoked with the Lust victim. {{spoiler|A man was forced at gunpoint to wear a large razor-studded strap-on (strap-over?) with which he killed her by having sex with her.}}
* [[Death by Sex]]: Invoked with the Lust victim. {{spoiler|A man was forced at gunpoint to wear a large razor-studded strap-on (strap-over?) with which he killed her by having sex with her.}}
* [[Despair Event Horizon]]: {{spoiler|Mills at the end of the film.}}
* [[Despair Event Horizon]]: {{spoiler|Mills at the end of the film.}}
* [[Detective Drama]]
* [[Detective Drama]]
* [[Disposable Sex Worker]]: The Lust victim.
* [[Disposable Sex Worker]]: The Lust victim.
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* [[Fan Disservice]]: The Gluttony victim. He is naked on the autopsy table.
* [[Fan Disservice]]: The Gluttony victim. He is naked on the autopsy table.
* [[Fatal Flaw]]: Mills has a [[Hair-Trigger Temper]], which John Doe exploits.
* [[Fatal Flaw]]: Mills has a [[Hair-Trigger Temper]], which John Doe exploits.
* [[Faux Death]]: {{spoiler|Sloth.}}
* [[Faux Death]]: {{spoiler|Sloth.}}
* [[Film Noir]]
* [[Film Noir]]
* [[Finger in the Mail]]: {{spoiler|A package is received from the captured [[Serial Killer]] containing the head of his latest victim — Mills' wife.}}
* [[Finger in the Mail]]: {{spoiler|A package is received from the captured [[Serial Killer]] containing the head of his latest victim — Mills' wife.}}
* [[Follow the Leader]]: Compare it with later [[Theme Serial Killer]] flicks like ''Resurrection'', ''[[Taking Lives]]'', ''Anamorph'', ''Horsemen'', ''WΔZ'', ''[[Suspect Zero]]'' or ''[[Saw]]''. Of course that's not to say ''Se7en'' didn't borrow some elements from ''[[The Silence of the Lambs]]''.
* [[Follow the Leader]]: Compare it with later [[Theme Serial Killer]] flicks like ''Resurrection'', ''[[Taking Lives]]'', ''Anamorph'', ''Horsemen'', ''WΔZ'', ''[[Suspect Zero]]'' or ''[[Saw]]''. Of course that's not to say ''Se7en'' didn't borrow some elements from ''[[The Silence of the Lambs]]''.
* [[Force Feeding]]: Gluttony.
* [[Force Feeding]]: Gluttony.
* [[Freudian Excuse]]: {{spoiler|Averted in the film; John Doe's actions are not attributed to a past since he never gives one. Played straight in the (non-canonical) comic books.}}
* [[Freudian Excuse]]: {{spoiler|Averted in the film; John Doe's actions are not attributed to a past since he never gives one. Played straight in the (non-canonical) comic books.}}
* [[Gambit Roulette]]: Some of the murders are performed very impressively in terms of where and how they are discovered.
* [[Gambit Roulette]]: Some of the murders are performed very impressively in terms of where and how they are discovered.
* [[Giallo]]: It isn't one, but the film's visuals seem to be heavily influenced by the genre.
* [[Giallo]]: It isn't one, but the film's visuals seem to be heavily influenced by the genre.
* [[Gorn]]: Although it's mostly limited to [[Gory Discretion Shot|Gory Discretion Shots]]. Most of the horrors are unfilmable and left to our imagination.
* [[Gorn]]: Although it's mostly limited to [[Gory Discretion Shot|Gory Discretion Shots]]. Most of the horrors are unfilmable and left to our imagination.
** Which makes it even more terrifying. As an example, several people told Fincher that they couldn't believe he showed {{spoiler|Mills' wife's head in the box}}. Fincher responded by pointing out that at no point in the movie is this actually shown; the image is all in the audience's mind.
** Which makes it even more terrifying. As an example, several people told Fincher that they couldn't believe he showed {{spoiler|Mills' wife's head in the box}}. Fincher responded by pointing out that at no point in the movie is this actually shown; the image is all in the audience's mind.
* [[Gray Rain of Depression]]: See [[Empathic Environment]] above.
* [[Gray Rain of Depression]]: See [[Empathic Environment]] above.
* [[Green-Eyed Monster]]: John Doe says he {{spoiler|killed Mills's wife out of envy}}. Of course, given his agenda, he may have exaggerated {{spoiler|his envy}} just for that purpose.
* [[Green-Eyed Monster]]: John Doe says he {{spoiler|killed Mills's wife out of envy}}. Of course, given his agenda, he may have exaggerated {{spoiler|his envy}} just for that purpose.
* [[Hannibal Lecture]]: "It's more comfortable for you to label me insane."
* [[Hannibal Lecture]]: "It's more comfortable for you to label me insane."
* [[Implied Answer]]: {{spoiler|How Mills finds out his wife's head is in the box}}
* [[Implied Answer]]: {{spoiler|How Mills finds out his wife's head is in the box}}.
{{quote|'''Mills:''' {{spoiler|Tell me she's alriiiiight!}}
{{quote|'''Mills:''' {{spoiler|Tell me she's alriiiiight!}}
'''Somerset:''' {{spoiler|...if you murder a suspect, David-}}
'''Somerset:''' {{spoiler|...if you murder a suspect, David-}}
'''Mills:''' {{spoiler|[[Big No|Noooo!]]}} }}
'''Mills:''' {{spoiler|[[Big No|Noooo!]]}} }}
* [[I Reject Your Reality]]: John Doe, leading to his insane "sinners must be punished" mentality.
* [[I Reject Your Reality]]: John Doe, leading to his insane "sinners must be punished" mentality.
* [[Ironic Nickname]]: "Smiley" Somerset.
* [[Ironic Nickname]]: "Smiley" Somerset.
* [[I Surrender, Suckers]]: {{spoiler|A variation occurs at the climax. John Doe turns himself in, but only to ensure that his master plan of completing his "work" goes off without a hitch.}}
* [[I Surrender, Suckers]]: {{spoiler|A variation occurs at the climax. John Doe turns himself in, but only to ensure that his master plan of completing his "work" goes off without a hitch.}}
* [[It Got Worse]]: And how! The entire movie has this continuously, but the last ten minutes deserve special mention. It got a lot worse fast.
* [[It Got Worse]]: And how! The entire movie has this continuously, but the last ten minutes deserve special mention. It got a lot worse fast.
* [[It Is Pronounced "Tro-PAY"]]: When reading off names and titles of books, Mills pronounces the [[Marquis de Sade]]'s name as "Marquis de Shar-day", like [[Sade|the singer]].
* [[It Is Pronounced "Tro-PAY"]]: When reading off names and titles of books, Mills pronounces the [[Marquis de Sade]]'s name as "Marquis de Shar-day", like [[Sade|the singer]].
* [[Karmic Death]]: {{spoiler|What the serial killer is aiming for, at least in theory}}.
* [[Karmic Death]]: {{spoiler|What the serial killer is aiming for, at least in theory}}.
* [[Kirk Summation]]: [[Subverted]]. Det. Mills' rebuttal was spot on, but the villain ignored him and continued the [[Hannibal Lecture|lecture]].
* [[Kirk Summation]]: [[Subverted]]. Det. Mills' rebuttal was spot on, but the villain ignored him and continued the [[Hannibal Lecture|lecture]].
{{quote|'''Doe:''' And after him I took the [[Amoral Attorney|lawyer]], and both of you must have secretly thanking me for that one. This is a man who dedicated his life to making money by ''lying'', with every breath that he could muster to keeping murderers and rapists on the streets—<br />
{{quote|'''Doe:''' And after him I took the [[Amoral Attorney|lawyer]], and both of you must have secretly thanking me for that one. This is a man who dedicated his life to making money by ''lying'', with every breath that he could muster to keeping murderers and rapists on the streets—
'''Mills:''' "Murderers."<br />
'''Mills:''' "Murderers."
'''Doe:''' A woman—<br />
'''Doe:''' A woman—
'''Mills:''' "Murderers", John. Like yourse—<br />
'''Mills:''' "Murderers", John. Like yourse—
'''Doe:''' ''A WOMAN! So ugly on the inside''... }}
'''Doe:''' ''A WOMAN! So ugly on the inside''...}}
* [[Knight in Sour Armor]]: William Somerset's last line in the movie: "[[Ernest Hemingway]] once wrote, '[[For Whom the Bell Tolls|The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for]].' I agree with the second part."
* [[Knight in Sour Armor]]: William Somerset's last line in the movie: "[[Ernest Hemingway]] once wrote, '[[For Whom the Bell Tolls|The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for]].' I agree with the second part."
* [[Knight Templar]]: John Doe. Somerset doesn't doubt he believed in all his 'preaching'.
* [[Knight Templar]]: John Doe. Somerset doesn't doubt he believed in all his 'preaching'.
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* [[Meaningful Name]]: "John Doe" is the police term for an unidentified body/suspect/victim/etc.
* [[Meaningful Name]]: "John Doe" is the police term for an unidentified body/suspect/victim/etc.
* [[Misanthrope Supreme]]: John Doe.
* [[Misanthrope Supreme]]: John Doe.
* [[Mission From God]]:
* [[Mission from God]]:
{{quote|'''Doe:''' Don't ask me to pity those people. I don't mourn them any more than I do the thousands that died at Sodom and Gomorrah.
{{quote|'''Doe:''' Don't ask me to pity those people. I don't mourn them any more than I do the thousands that died at Sodom and Gomorrah.
'''Somerset:''' Is that to say, John, that what you were doing was God's good work?
'''Somerset:''' Is that to say, John, that what you were doing was God's good work?
[''[[Beat]]'']
[''[[Beat]]'']
'''Doe:''' The Lord works [[In Mysterious Ways]]. }}
'''Doe:''' The Lord works [[In Mysterious Ways]].}}
* [[Motive Rant]]: John Doe while in the car.
* [[Motive Rant]]: John Doe while in the car.
* [[Mr. Smith]]: Johnathan Doe isn't his real name, but he takes it by choice.
* [[Mr. Smith]]: Johnathan Doe isn't his real name, but he takes it by choice.
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* [[Ominous Mundanity]]: John Doe.
* [[Ominous Mundanity]]: John Doe.
* [[One-Scene Wonder]]: Michael Massee and Leland Orser.
* [[One-Scene Wonder]]: Michael Massee and Leland Orser.
** How about John Doe? He only appears in three scenes where he is chased by Mills, taken in a car by Somerset and Mills, and finally, {{spoiler|taken to a desert where he is finally killed.}}
** How about John Doe? He only appears in three scenes where he is chased by Mills, taken in a car by Somerset and Mills, and finally, {{spoiler|taken to a desert where he is finally killed.}}
* [[Out with a Bang]]: Lust.
* [[Out with a Bang]]: Lust.
* [[Poetic Serial Killer]]: John Doe chooses victims he views as guilty of one of the Seven Deadly Sins, then kills them in a manner that he thinks [[Karmic Death|punishes the particular sin]] of which each is guilty.
* [[Poetic Serial Killer]]: John Doe chooses victims he views as guilty of one of the Seven Deadly Sins, then kills them in a manner that he thinks [[Karmic Death|punishes the particular sin]] of which each is guilty.
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* [[Pound of Flesh Twist]]: Plays out unfortunately for the Greed victim.
* [[Pound of Flesh Twist]]: Plays out unfortunately for the Greed victim.
* [[Prequel]]: Some surprisingly good comics by Zenescope Entertainment. They center on John and the victims.
* [[Prequel]]: Some surprisingly good comics by Zenescope Entertainment. They center on John and the victims.
* [[Red Herring]]: {{spoiler|Somerset's knife-throwing practice. It's seen several times in the movie, but never given practical application.}}
* [[Red Herring]]: {{spoiler|Somerset's knife-throwing practice. It's seen several times in the movie, but never given practical application.}}
** Though it should be noted that in the actual movie script, {{spoiler|Somerset did use his knife-throwing skill to try to stop Mills from shooting John Doe.}}
** Though it should be noted that in the actual movie script, {{spoiler|Somerset did use his knife-throwing skill to try to stop Mills from shooting John Doe.}}
** Also possibly {{spoiler|the dog carcass.}}
** Also possibly {{spoiler|the dog carcass.}}
* [[Red Oni, Blue Oni]]: Somerset and Mills. The Blue is a fatherly mentor trying to harden the Red's heart to the harsh realities of life, and the young and emotional Red {{spoiler|loses EVERYTHING to [[Big Bad]] and [[Complete Monster]] John Doe.}}
* [[Red Oni, Blue Oni]]: Somerset and Mills. The Blue is a fatherly mentor trying to harden the Red's heart to the harsh realities of life, and the young and emotional Red {{spoiler|loses EVERYTHING to [[Big Bad]] and [[Complete Monster]] John Doe.}}
* [[Room Full of Crazy]]: John Doe's apartment.
* [[Room Full of Crazy]]: John Doe's apartment.
* [[Salt and Pepper]]: Somerset (black) and Mills (white).
* [[Salt and Pepper]]: Somerset (black) and Mills (white).
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** However, we do see John Doe's removal of fingerprints.
** However, we do see John Doe's removal of fingerprints.
* [[Strike Me Down with All of Your Hatred]]
* [[Strike Me Down with All of Your Hatred]]
* [[Stuffed Into the Fridge]]: {{spoiler|Mills' wife Tracy.}}
* [[Stuffed Into the Fridge]]: {{spoiler|Mills' wife Tracy.}}
* [[Suicide by Cop]]: {{spoiler|John Doe's death.}}
* [[Suicide by Cop]]: {{spoiler|John Doe's death.}}
* [[Suspect Is Hatless]]: How John Doe is described by his neighbors.
* [[Suspect Is Hatless]]: How John Doe is described by his neighbors.
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Latest revision as of 15:19, 24 March 2022

There are seven deadly sins, Captain. Gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, pride, lust, and envy. Seven... You can expect five more of these.
William Somerset

Se7en (or Seven) is a 1995 American crime/horror/thriller film, directed by David Fincher of Fight Club fame and staring Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt as homicide detectives Somerset and Mills. Somerset is about to retire and be replaced by Mills in the department, but the two get caught up in a string of murders, each inspired by the Seven Deadly Sins and all caused by one intelligent and elusive Serial Killer. A distinctive dark atmosphere and a skillful balance of Gory Discretion Shots ends up creating a far more disturbing product than the Gorn films that try and emulate it. Often ranked with The Silence of the Lambs and Psycho as the pinnacle of serial killer fiction.

Tropes used in Se7en include:

Mills: Fucking Dante! Goddamn poetry-writing faggot, piece of shit! Fucker!

  • Cowboy Cop: David Mills. Subverted as Mills is obviously trying to be one but instead comes across as naive and impulsive.
  • Crapsack World: Detective Somerset and the villain seem to share this perspective on the world. At the end, Somerset states that the world is still worth fighting for, even if it is a shithole.
  • Creative Closing Credits: The grungy credits scroll down instead of up.
  • Creepy Monotone: John Doe, most of the time.
  • Deadpan Snarker: David Mills, so very much.
  • Death by Disfigurement: Invoked with the Pride victim, who killed herself. John Doe picked a very beautiful and vain woman and disfigured her, presumably to the point that plastic surgery would have been unable to restore her face. He then glued a phone into one hand (so she could call 911), and a bottle of sleeping pills into the other (so she could commit suicide). According to the villain, the woman was so full of pride that she swallowed the pills rather than go through the rest of her life with scars.

Dr. O'Neill: He cut off her nose.
Somerset: To spite her face.

Mills: Tell me she's alriiiiight!
Somerset: ...if you murder a suspect, David-
Mills: Noooo!

Doe: And after him I took the lawyer, and both of you must have secretly thanking me for that one. This is a man who dedicated his life to making money by lying, with every breath that he could muster to keeping murderers and rapists on the streets—
Mills: "Murderers."
Doe: A woman—
Mills: "Murderers", John. Like yourse—
Doe: A WOMAN! So ugly on the inside...

Doe: Don't ask me to pity those people. I don't mourn them any more than I do the thousands that died at Sodom and Gomorrah.
Somerset: Is that to say, John, that what you were doing was God's good work?
[Beat]
Doe: The Lord works In Mysterious Ways.

John Doe: What I've done is going to be puzzled over... and studied... and followed... forever.

Somerset: Well, in any major city, minding your own business is a science. First thing they teach women in rape prevention is never cry for help. Always yell "fire." Nobody answers to "help." You holler "fire," they come running.