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{{trope}}
{{quote|<poem>''"For my military knowledge, though I'm plucky and [[Buffy-Speak|adventurey]]
''Has only been brought down to the beginning of [[Victorian Britain|the century]]
''But still in matters vegetable, animal and mineral
''I am the very model of a [[Trope Namer|modern major-general]]"''</poem>|'''[[Gilbert and Sullivan]]'''|''[[The Pirates of Penzance]]''}}
 
The opposite of a [[Genius Ditz]], a character who seems competent at everything... except his actual job. A sort of adult [[Book Dumb]], the main question on everybody's minds, in- or out-of-universe, is "[[Pointy-Haired Boss|How on earth did this guy get hired]], especially given there are other jobs he'd be far more competent at!?" (Though sometimes his [[Blue Blood]] may give you a reason to suspect nepotism.)
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(If you were looking for the song and works which parody it, see [[Major-General Song]].)
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== Anime and Manga ==
* Hamdo from ''[[Now and Then, Here and There]]''.
* [[Shinryaku!The Ikatitular Musume|Ika[[Squid MusumeGirl]] can accomplish incredible feats ranging from [[Super Strength]] to advanced mathematics to fine art... but due to her childish nature, she's utterly incompetent at her stated job of "invading the surface". At one point she even [[Lampshade Hanging|Lampshades]] this.
 
== Comic Books ==
* The extremely minor Marvel Comics villain the Jester is a would-be actor who, in a bid to advance his career, enrolled (and earned high marks) in every course of study that he thought might make him more employable. Well... every course except acting lessons.
* Hindsight Lad (later simply "Hindsight") of the [[New Warriors]] wanted to be a superhero and coerced the team into letting him join. Having no powers or fighting skills he turned out to be terrible at it, but when the team realized he was an excellent strategist and analyst, he became a useful asset anyway, just not in the field. (Well, until he turned on them later, but that's another story.)
 
== Film ==
* Max Fischer from ''[[Rushmore]]''.
* Max Smart in the 2008 movie ''[[Get Smart (film)|Get Smart]]'' is cast in a role something like this; many characters remark that he's probably the finest intelligence analyst in CONTROL. However, he desperately wants to be a field agent—and when he's finally promoted, he's not entirely incompetent, but he is notably over-eager, naive, bumbling and prone to making a fool of himself.
 
== Comics ==
* The extremely minor Marvel Comics villain the Jester is a would-be actor who, in a bid to advance his career, enrolled (and earned high marks) in every course of study that he thought might make him more employable. Well... every course except acting lessons.
* Hindsight Lad (later simply "Hindsight") of the [[New Warriors]] wanted to be a superhero and coerced the team into letting him join. Having no powers or fighting skills he turned out to be terrible at it, but when the team realized he was an excellent strategist and analyst, he became a useful asset anyway, just not in the field. (Well, until he turned on them later, but that's another story.)
 
== Live Action Television ==
* Wesley of ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer|Buffy]]'' and ''[[Angel]]'' started out as one of these before character development turned him into a [[Badass Normal]]. Though the guy had all the historical, demonic and magical knowledge one could ever want, he began his tenure in the shows as a spineless coward with no personal skills—hardly someone the average person would consider qualified to be a mentor figure in the battle between good and evil. Ironically, it was only after he was ''fired'' from the Watcher job that he developed the skills that would have made him good at it.
* Jack from ''[[30 Rock|Thirty Rock]]'' was put into this situation by higher-ups who moved him from the appliance division to TV production. Liz, too, is a comedy writer by background, ability and official job title, but [[Liz Lemon Job|she spends most of her time doing HR work these days]].
* Michael Scott of ''[[The Office]]'' is a TERRIBLE manager, his actual job, but an almost savant-like salesman, which used to be his job and [[The Peter Principle|his success with which got him the manager gig in the first place]].
* ''[[Star Trek: Voyager]]'': Captain Janeway is suspected of being one of these by some viewers as she's portrayed as being rather good at science and engineering matters but [[Depending on the Writer|inconsistent]] character portrayal left her rather lacking when it came to being an actual Captain. As an extension of this logic, she got [[Kicked Upstairs]] by the time of ''[[Star Trek: Nemesis]]'', shown as a Vice Admiral on Earth.
 
== Literature ==
* In the Cadfael books, Brother Oswin is hopelessly clumsy, refuses to admit that putting cold things into hot places or vice versa shatters them, and is Cadfael's assistant for several books. Cadfael generally has him do all the easy stuff that doesn't put him near fragile things or herbal remedies - especially the ones that could be used as poison. He does get better over time and in the end is quite competent - it just took him a lot longer to learn than Cadfael's other assistants.
* Captain Trips from the ''[[Wild Cards]]'' books. He's a genius biochemist—was one of the best in the world, before his drug-and-superhero problems. He manages to be a competent detective when working with Tachyon on the Swarm case. In regular life, he tries to be a businessman, but couldn't sell tuna to dolphins.
* Terry Pratchett's [[Discworld]] novel ''[[Discworld/Monstrous Regiment|Monstrous Regiment]]''.
** Lt. Blouse has an element of this, since his genius with military tactics and technology doesn't make him the [[Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass]] you might expect. War in [[This Is Reality|"the real world"]] isn't [[Armchair Military|a neat game of strategy]], making him relatively incompetent as a leader aside for a few exceptions. He is smart enough to let his ultra-competent sergeant run the things he isn't good at. Usually.
** In [[Discworld/Interesting Times|Interesting Times]], the Agatean Empire's bureaucracy is full of these. Like Imperial China, people are promoted in the bureaucracy through exams. [[Genius Bonus|At one point, Rincewind interrupts the exam for the position of provincial agricultural minister, which involves writing a poem about a flower.]]<ref>Imperial Chinese governmental exams really DID require you to write long discursive poems or essays - the government figured if you could write an insanely difficult, precise, pedantic and technical piece on something completely unrelated to anything in real life, you could learn how to do your eventual civil service job, not to mention [[Gentleman and a Scholar|the social importance of being good at poetry]]. Before you laugh, it worked for the British Civil Service (they did it with Latin and Greek), and this system of government lasted, unbroken through flood, invasion and dynasty, for two thousand years. It's arguably a bit like the Google interview questions that show up periodically online - intended to demonstrate flexibility of mind rather than any specific skill.)</ref>
* The Austrian general Weyrother is portrayed this way in ''[[War and Peace]]''. A good two or so pages is dedicated to how all the other generals at the war council prior to the [[Battle Royale With Cheese|Battle of Austerlitz]] despise him. He has a knack for drawing up troop dispositions and knowing terrain, just nothing to do with strategy or winning battles.
* Redjack Teal from Brian Jacques' ''The Angel's Command'' is basically Maj. Gen. Stanley...[[Recycled in Space|AT SEA!]]
 
== Live -Action TelevisionTV ==
* Wesley of ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer|Buffy]]'' and ''[[Angel]]'' started out as one of these before character development turned him into a [[Badass Normal]]. Though the guy had all the historical, demonic and magical knowledge one could ever want, he began his tenure in the shows as a spineless coward with no personal skills—hardly someone the average person would consider qualified to be a mentor figure in the battle between good and evil. Ironically, it was only after he was ''fired'' from the Watcher job that he developed the skills that would have made him good at it.
* Jack from ''[[30 Rock|Thirty Rock]]'' was put into this situation by higher-ups who moved him from the appliance division to TV production. Liz, too, is a comedy writer by background, ability and official job title, but [[Liz Lemon Job|she spends most of her time doing HR work these days]].
* Michael Scott of ''[[The Office]]'' is a TERRIBLE''terrible'' manager, his actual job, but an almost savant-like salesman, which used to be his job and [[The Peter Principle|his success with which got him the manager gig in the first place]].
* ''[[Star Trek: Voyager]]'': Captain Janeway is suspected of being one of these by some viewers as she's portrayed as being rather good at science and engineering matters but [[Depending on the Writer|inconsistent]] character portrayal left her rather lacking when it came to being an actual Captain. As an extension of this logic, she got [[Kicked Upstairs]] by the time of ''[[Star Trek: Nemesis]]'', shown as a Vice Admiral on Earth.
 
== Theater ==
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** Note that Major General Stanley even mentions that operetta in his song:
{{quote|Then I can hum a fugue of which I've heard the music's din afore,
And whistle all the airs from [[Take That UsSelf-Deprecation|that infernal nonsense]] ''Pinafore!'' }}
** Also note that Sir Joseph Porter... [[Truth in Television|is based on a real person, W. H. Smith, who became First Lord of the Admiralty without having any actual experience with any sort of naval command or ship.]] *** First Lord of the Admiralty was a cabinet post, a political and administrative job. From 1806 until it was abolished in 1964 it was ''always'' held by a civilian, a politician. The professional head of the Navy was the First Sea Lord.
*** First Lord of the Admiralty was a cabinet post, a political and administrative job. From 1806 until it was abolished in 1964 it was ''always'' held by a civilian, a politician. The professional head of the Navy was the First Sea Lord.
* In "[[HONK!]]", an adaptation of Hans Christian Anderson's "[[The Ugly Duckling]]," the goose Greylag, modeled after a [[WWII]] fighter pilot, fits this trope ideally, causing his wife Dot to lament that "his cabin lights are rather dim."
 
== Western Animation ==
* Colonel Hathi, from Disney's ''[[The Jungle Book (Disney film)|The Jungle Book]]''. In the Kipling novel, however, he's probably the single coolest character in the series, next to Mowgli.
 
== Webcomics ==
* Happens in [[Furmentation]] with Gulley. http://xodin.comicgenesis.com/d/20030623.html
 
== [[Video Games]] ==
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*** Then again, when the player sees him impersonating Phoenix in that case's opening, he...uses Phoenix's exact sprite.
*** However, it helps that this guy also, well, threatens to have people killed.
 
== Web Comics ==
* Happens in [[Furmentation]] with Gulley. http://xodin.comicgenesis.com/d/20030623.html
 
== Western Animation ==
* Colonel Hathi, from Disney's ''[[The Jungle Book (Disney film)|The Jungle Book]]''. In the Kipling novel, however, he's probably the single coolest character in the series, next to Mowgli.
 
== [[Real Life]] ==
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** Actually, the problems described above did not apply to many armies - paying for commissions was a problem specific to the British army, and political appointments were really more something that applied to republics and parliamentary systems, e. g. the United States in the 19th century. In autocratic monarchies although officers tended to be recruited mostly from the nobility, there actually was quite a bit of competition among them and it generally was possible to maintain a certain level of competence (let's not forget: Napoleon was a product of the officers' schooling of Louis XVI's army). But there were different types of problems, namely that some people would be pushed forward by personal connections to the monarch or those close to him (Villeroi had been raised together with Louis XIV as a boy, others were helped by the influence of a king's mistress like the Marquise de Pompadour) and that the very top positions would usually go to monarchs or their relatives.
** The Charge of the Light Brigade is probably the [[Ur Example]] of this as the incident was subsequently used to discredit and end the practice of purchasing commissions, however the facts themselves are rather more complicated. It was led by Lord Cardigan, described by one historian as "an overbearing, hot-tempered fool of the most dangerous kind in that he believed that he possessed real ability." His immediate superior was Lord Lucan, also none too bright and much too hot-tempered. However, tied up in the performance was Captain Louis Edward Nolan, a "merit" officer, who may have intentionally miscommunicated the order to advance (the supposedly "garbled" order would have been quite comprehensible to a man standing where it was drafted). Lucan ordered Cardigan charge his men through a gauntlet of fire to capture a battery of guns at the far end of the valley. After capturing the guns the light brigade was driven off due to the overwhelming numbers of the enemy, retreating through the same gauntlet of fire a second time. The result was over two hundred British cavalryman killed or captured in a charge that accomplished nothing of real military value. At the time Cardigan was lionised as a hero, while Lucan and Raglan the supreme commander variously blamed each other and Nolan.
** The 7th Duke of Medina Sidonia Alonso Pérez De Guzmán himself sent a letter to his king wondering why he, who had no military experience and wasn't in great health, was chosen to lead the Spanish Armada. Historians attempting to make any sense of his appointment have tried to explain him as an example of this: He was a good Duke and had ''all'' the traits the king would want of a good commander, ''except'' the strategy and tactics part.
*** More modern speculation avoids this and instead simply notes his serious skill as an administrator, important to get something like The Armada to go ''anywhere'' at speed safely, and willingness to delegate the strategy and tactics part.
* This is the intended meaning of [[The Peter Principle]]: that people who are good at their job will earn promotions until they reach their level of incompetence, at which point they will no longer be promoted, because they are incompetent at their current position. This can get short-circuited if the person isn't actually so bad at their job to justify being demoted or fired, yet do badly enough that their superior wants them out. The only solution? [[Kicked Upstairs|Promote them elsewhere]], which is the entire point of the British comedy ''[[The Brittas Empire]]''.
** John Bell Hood of the Confederate Army of Tennessee fits the Peter Principle. He was a fine brigade and division commander, but was disastrous when promoted to Army command.
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* ''The [[Dilbert]] Principle'' proposes that the only reason why [[Pointy-Haired Boss|executive management]] positions ''exist'' is to provide slots where incompetents can be removed from day-to-day contact with the company's product and/or customers.
* Idi Amin was a total douchebag and complete moron, as he was shown in the media. With all those badges, he probably fooled himself into thinking he was a real military commander. But he lost completely in his war with Tanzania, as his armies did very little fighting at all.
** Which didn't prevent him from living comfortably for a good, long time, nearly *''25 YEARS*years'' after being ousted from power, with multiple wives at his side (simultaneously) and so much time on his hands that he actually bothered to finally learn to read and study politics. An interview very late in his life shows him to be anything but the apparent buffoon of old. However, theories abound that the man was never anything of the sort, instead showing the great powers of the world [[Obfuscating Stupidity|a facade of backwards idiocy]] to avoid ever-popular Cold War meddling in his affairs.
* [[Mao Zedong]] was pretty much the reverse of Hitler and Stalin. While a skilled commander and charismatic leader capable of leading what was essentially a peasant guerrilla movement to take over China, as a statesman, his economic and social policies were a complete failure.
** Case in point: The Great Leap Forward. Mao hoped to turn China into a first-world country through a campaign in which backyard furnaces were set up in villages to produce steel, untrained peasants were assigned to work industrial machinery, farmland was deep-ploughed (a now-discredited idea that deeper layers of soil were more fertile) to increase crop yields, and sparrows were mass-culled so they would not steal grain. None of this was planned with any knowledge of metallurgy, ecology, or agriculture. The backyard furnaces produced junk-quality iron, industrial machinery failed due to incompetent operators, fields were left untended due to all the farmers being moved to the cities, crops failed to grow properly, and whatever grain that could be harvested was devoured by the swarms of locusts the culling of sparrows (their main predator) had created. Combined with mismanagement and reporting of exaggerated production figures by officials, the ensuing [[Precision F-Strike|fuckfest]] resulted in about '''50 million''' dead.
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