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Spock, Kirk, and Bones: superego, ego, and id, respectively.

Maecenas: We are three kings. Octavius, the leader. Agrippa, the soldier, and Maecenas, the...
Agrippa: Mouth?
Maecenas: Maecenas, the politician. A rise. Let us all promise now: that we will let nothing never destroy this friendship!
Maecenas, Agrippa, Octavius: Never!

—Imperium: Augustus

Among a Trio of the "two Foils + balance" variety, one of the most common subtropes has the three characters have psychological positions based on the Freudian idea of The Ego, The Superego and The Id.

Freud defined the human psyche as consisting of three parts: The Id, which represented emotional and instinctual desires; The Superego, which represented the logical and intellectual reasoning (or rules and social conventions, which is how Freud actually used the term); and The Ego, which reconciled The Id and Superego. Likewise, the Freudian Trio consists of three characters: one who acts emotionally and instinctively, one who acts with cold, passionless logic and one who reconciles the two conflicting ideals.

Sometimes the Id/Superego dynamics play out with just two characters, but in those cases the representatives of opposing sides must learn to negotiate with each other. In a Trio, they are free to be more extreme, and it falls to The Kirk to lay the smack down and keep the group integrated. The leader of a Freudian Trio may not necessarily be The Kirk but often is. The second most likely to be the leader is The McCoy, the most noble and caring one. It might be that The Hero is the emotional id, his lancer is the practical ego and The Smart Guy is superego.

In Betty and Veronica love triangles, the Betty may represent The Superego, the Veronica The Id and the person making the choice between them may be The Ego. A Comic Trio uses the same ingredients, but the leader is crazy, the action one is stupid, and the thinking one is powerless. Depending on the Fandom and its tendency for Shipping, a Trio may easily become a One True Threesome. Compare also Good Angel, Bad Angel if you see the "Shoulder Devil" as The Id, the "Shoulder Angel" as The Superego and the person whose shoulders they rest on as The Ego.

The Evil Duo is a Foil to this arrangement consisting of two villains who show how the Trio fails to function without one of the members. The most common form is with one Id villain and one Superego villain, but an Id/Ego pair or even an Ego\Superego pair is not unheard of.

For a more in-depth look at Freud's theories, check out Id, Superego and Ego.

Examples of Freudian Trio are listed on these subpages:

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+'''Agrippa''': ''Mouth?''
+'''Maecenas''': ''Maecenas, the politician. A rise. Let us all promise now: that we will let nothing never destroy this friendship!''
+'''Maecenas, Agrippa, Octavius''': ''Never!''
+|''Imperium: Augustus'' }}
+Among a [[Trio]] of the "two Foils + balance" variety, one of the most common subtropes has the three characters have psychological positions based on the [[All Psychology Is Freudian|Freudian]] idea of [[The Ego]], [[The Superego]] and [[The Id]].
-{{quote|'''Maecenas''': ''We are three kings. [[The Ego|Octavius]], the leader. [[Id|Agrippa]], the soldier, and [[Superego|Maecenas]], the...''<br />
-'''Agrippa''': ''Mouth?''<br />
-'''Maecenas''': ''Maecenas, the politician. A rise. Let us all promise now: that we will let nothing never destroy this friendship!''<br />
-'''Maecenas, Agrippa, Octavius''': ''Never!''|''Imperium: Augustus'' }}
+[[Sigmund Freud|Freud]] defined the human psyche as consisting of three parts: [[The Id]], which represented emotional and instinctual desires; [[The Superego]], which represented the logical and intellectual reasoning (or rules and social conventions, which is how Freud actually used the term); and [[The Ego]], which reconciled [[The Id]] and [[The Superego|Superego]]. Likewise, the '''Freudian Trio''' consists of three characters: one who acts [[The McCoy|emotionally and instinctively]], one who acts with [[The Spock|cold, passionless logic]] and one who [[The Kirk|reconciles the two conflicting ideals]].
-Among a [[Power Trio]] of the "two Foils + balance" variety, one of the most common subtropes has the three characters have psychological positions based on the [[All Psychology Is Freudian|Freudian]] idea of [[The Ego]], [[The Superego]] and [[The Id]].
+Sometimes the Id/Superego dynamics play out with just two characters, but in those cases the representatives of opposing sides must learn to negotiate with each other. In a [[Trio]], they are free to be more extreme, and it falls to [[The Kirk]] to [[The Messiah|lay the smack down]] and keep the group integrated. The leader of a '''Freudian Trio''' may not necessarily be [[The Kirk]] but often is. The second most likely to be the leader is [[The McCoy]], the most noble and caring one. It might be that [[The Hero]] is the emotional [[The McCoy|id]], his [[The Lancer|lancer]] is the practical [[The Kirk|ego]] and [[The Smart Guy]] is [[The Spock|superego]].
-[[Sigmund Freud|Freud]] defined the human psyche as consisting of three parts: [[The Id]], which represented emotional and instinctual desires; [[The Superego]], which represented the logical and intellectual reasoning (or rules and social conventions, which is how Freud actually used the term); and [[The Ego]], which reconciled [[The Id]] and [[The Superego|Superego]]. Likewise, the [[Freudian Trio]] consists of three characters: one who acts [[The McCoy|emotionally and instinctively]], one who acts with [[The Spock|cold, passionless logic]] and one who [[The Kirk|reconciles the two conflicting ideals]].
+In [[Betty and Veronica]] [[Love Triangle|love triangles]], the Betty may represent [[The Superego]], the Veronica [[The Id]] and the person making the choice between them may be [[The Ego]]. A [[Comic Trio]] uses the same ingredients, but the leader is crazy, the action one is stupid, and the thinking one is powerless. Depending on the [[Fandom]] and its tendency for [[Shipping]], a [[Trio]] may easily become a [[One True Threesome]]. Compare also [[Good Angel, Bad Angel]] if you see the "Shoulder Devil" as [[The Id]], the "Shoulder Angel" as [[The Superego]] and the person whose shoulders they rest on as [[The Ego]].
-Sometimes the Id/Superego dynamics play out with just two characters, but in those cases the representatives of opposing sides must learn to negotiate with each other. In a [[Power Trio]], they are free to be more extreme, and it falls to [[The Kirk]] to [[The Messiah|lay the smack down]] and keep the group integrated. The leader of a [[Freudian Trio]] may not necessarily be [[The Kirk]] but often is. The second most likely to be the leader is [[The McCoy]], the most noble and caring one. It might be that [[The Hero]] is the emotional [[The McCoy|id]], his [[The Lancer|lancer]] is the practical [[The Kirk|ego]] and [[The Smart Guy]] is [[The Spock|superego]].
-In [[Betty and Veronica]] [[Love Triangle|love triangles]], the Betty may represent [[The Superego]], the Veronica [[The Id]] and the person making the choice between them may be [[The Ego]]. A [[Comic Trio]] uses the same ingredients, but the leader is crazy, the action one is stupid, and the thinking one is powerless. Depending on the [[Fandom]] and its tendency for [[Shipping]], a [[Power Trio]] may easily become a [[One True Threesome]]. Compare also [[Good Angel, Bad Angel]] if you see the "Shoulder Devil" as [[The Id]], the "Shoulder Angel" as [[The Superego]] and the person whose shoulders they rest on as [[The Ego]].
 The [[Evil Duo]] is a [[Foil]] to this arrangement consisting of two villains who show how the Trio fails to function without one of the members. The most common form is with one Id villain and one Superego villain, but an Id/Ego pair or even an Ego\Superego pair is not unheard of.
-For a more in-depth look at [[Sigmund Freud|Freud's]] theories, check out [[Useful Notes/Id Superego and Ego]].
+For a more in-depth look at [[Sigmund Freud|Freud's]] theories, check out [[Id, Superego and Ego]].
-{{examples}}
+{{examples on subpages}}
-* [[Freudian Trio/Anime and Manga|Anime and Manga]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Comic Books|Comic Books]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Film|Film]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Literature|Literature]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Live Action TV|Live Action TV]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Mythology|Mythology]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Newspaper Comics|Newspaper Comics]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Online Roleplay|Online Roleplay]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Professional Wrestling|Professional Wrestling]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Tabletop Games|Tabletop Games]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Theater|Theater]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Video Games|Video Games]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Web Media|Web Media]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Western Animation|Western Animation]]
-* [[Freudian Trio/Real Life|Real Life]]
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