Thread:Forum:Wiki Talk/YMMV integration/reply (9)

@Munnin: With regards to the Character tropes on Character pages only rule, the motion to overturn is GRANTED, the rule is REPEALED.

I basically thought that was used as a "this page is getting really crowded" thing. TVT was good at making everything look like admin fiat, so maybe it was just that. Anyway, stuff like this should be covered under a the rule of doing what you think is best... which should probably be in All The Tropes:Be Creative once I actually get around to writing it. That is to say, not every trope needs to be on the main page, and the choice of where is best to put it involves some degree of judgement on the part of the troper.

@Nerdaniel: Hey, that's a surprisingly nice segue to the greater discussion here. Ultimately, the position of every trope is going to be some sort of judgement call. Forcing a particular alignment doesn't really help. (Recap subpages with YMMV subpages are especially annoying to me, because I pretty much screwed up the placement of all of them on import and they just don't really fit our site structure.) I think at least some flexibility is called for here, under All The Tropes:There is No One True Way. Certainly, debate about the applicability of a trope is always allowed, so long as it doesn't kudzu grow over the page content.

I've said earlier that TVT tends to have an obsession with structure and classification, which is really strange for a Content Creation Wiki. Maybe the YMMV and Trivia pages are just a symptom of that greater problem. I'm now more or less stuck between wanting to integrate them to the main page, or using them as organizational tools as Looney Toons says below.

"External" doesn't really strike me as the right name, at least partially because I served as External Chair of the UC Davis Grad Student Association, and I didn't like the title back then. We've pondered "Production" or "Production Notes" which sounds great for movies, not so sure about books. "Metacreation", "Environment"? I think I'm striking out. I do not like "Trivia", though.

@Munnin again: D&D alignments are pretty much always Square Peg, Round Trope anyway. I'm a Pathfinder player and I still almost wanna delete those pages. We've been talking about Complete Monster long enough, I think that needs to be made objective. Mary Sue needs a better description if it's gonna be made anything like objective.