Kung Fu Panda/Fridge

Fridge Brilliance:

 * When Po offers Tai Lung the Dragon Scroll, he looks at is own reflection and exclaims, "There's nothing!" However, Po beams, "No, it's just you" when he sees is own reflection.
 * I took my kids to see Kung Fu Panda, and thought it was okay for a hokey kids comedy featuring funny animals. On the way home I suddenly realized that with the exception of Master Oogway and Master Shifu, all the fighters were using their namesake animal styles of kung fu. Tigress was using tiger style, Crane was using crane style, and so on. Even the villain Tai Lung (a snow leopard) was using leopard style and the hero Po (the titular Kung Fu Panda) was using bear style. It was then I realized I had just watched a really well done martial arts film that just happened to also be a hokey kids comedy featuring funny animals. -- Jack Butler
 * Same film, different realization: for the longest time, I wondered how it was that Tai Lung could have remained muscular, strong, and perfectly masterful in his kung fu skills after being trapped in a paralyzing tortoise shell for twenty years. His muscles should have atrophied, and he should have been out of shape or rusty at the very least, yet it was lampshaded by Shifu that he had in fact gotten stronger. But then I recalled what the shell was explicitly stated to do: draw all of the snow leopard's chi to the pressure points being stimulated. If you assume chi to be one's life force, as it is generally believed to be, then it wouldn't be too difficult to imagine that trapping it in one place would also arrest the body's metabolism. Thus, no atrophying, thus Tai Lung staying in peak physical condition and at the height of his kung fu skills. It might even explain how he actually got stronger, by concentrating his power. (And even suggests he didn't physically age!) This of course doesn't explain other questions which were raised by Tai Lung's imprisonment (how was he able to relieve himself? How did he eat? Why was his fur so clean and soft-looking after twenty years??). But it's otherwise a brilliant stroke, I think. --Ingonyama
 * Theoretically, if his metabolism has stopped he wouldn't need to eat, and thus not need to go to the restroom either. That just leaves the cleanliness issue. Maybe the rhinos dump a bucket of water on him every so often so that he doesn't attract bugs or mold.
 * Haven't seen the movie so I may be misunderstanding this tortoise shell thing. But an old experiment where scientists used plaster casts to immobilize one of an animal's limbs to try and get the muscles to atrophy, actually resulted in the limb in question getting stronger, due to them straining against the cast (also the Origin Story for Charles Atlas). Could have been something similar at work.
 * More likely, it's simply a reference to one of the signs of chi mastery/enlightenment - being able to sustain yourself on only your chi (or alternatively, your chi is more than enough to sustain yourself) because you are above mortal needs and desires. You've become something of a spiritual being. That's why Po's initial training ended with him claiming he was not hungry.
 * I was always upset by Tai Lung's flat-out willingness to kill Shifu, his own father who had loved him, just because he couldn't give him the Dragon Scroll. Not much of a motive to kill your father, right? But then, realizing another scene where Tigress says that Oogway refused him the scroll because he saw darkness in his heart. If that's what Oogway had said to Shifu, I can't imagine how any kid would feel after his own father would believe something like that just because the Wise Mentor said it. Which could have been the reason Tai Lung never forgave Shifu, even after Shifu had said how proud he was of him during their showdown. He turned to evil because he was upset that his father quickly believed that he could be evil. It's an interesting paradox. - Aurum-Femina
 * During the flashback where a young Tigress is very sad that she is unable to impress her master, Shifu, I thought she was being a bit too melodramatic. It's just a grouchy teacher, right? She can go home and complain about it to her parents later, right? In the half-hour special Secrets of the Furious Five, Tigress is revealed to have been adopted by Shifu when she was a cub. And looking back to the film, it does make sense, and wasn't just some history added on later. Gives new meaning to when she says "Shifu had loved him (Tai Lung) like he had never loved anyone before...or since." And shows a flashback with her attempting Kung Fu to hope Shifu would be proud of her abilities, only to have him bitterly correct her stance while looking like he wasn't even paying attention. This scene now qualifies as a big Tear Jerker. The fact that the film didn't push on the fact that she was adopted also gave a stroke of brilliance to its subtlety. - Aurum-Femina
 * The film, though it did not flat out say it, heavily implied that Tigress was adopted in the same way Tai-Lung was. The fact that she said "or since" immediately before showing her training with him; the many similarities between her brief training scene and Tai-Lung's (other than, obviously, Shifu's reaction); the fact that she was so young and being trained; and, most of all, the look on Tigress' face after Shifu corrects her. All of these things made this troper assume that Shifu had adopted Tigress.
 * Like many other tropers, I was sympathetic towards Tai Lung and wondered exactly why he was the villain of the piece. I kind of wished the writers had made the story about his redemption, as opposed to Po's hero's journey. Later on, I finally realised how much the characters are created by their own interpersonal relationships. When Shifu found, raised and trained Tai Lung, the reason his adoptive son turned evil was because Shifu had allowed him to much lenience. As the foster son of a Kung Fu master, the young leopard was giving too much leeway - he could make mistakes and would still be praised for it, simply because Shifu was too soft on him. As a result, Tai Lung grew up into a spoiled, arrogant individual who had utter confidence in himself and his abilities. He would always think highly of himself and because Shifu hadn't raised him with a moral compass, he firmly believed himself to be in the right. Oogway refused him the Dragon Scroll not because he was already evil, but because he knew that Tai Lung was too flawed - if he didn't understand the scroll, he could lose his temper; worse, if he ever DID understand it, his ego would grow to the point that he'd put himself on a pedestal above all other beings. What's the chance that such a person could end up not only fighting evil, but KILLING - first giving himself leeway with killing villains, and the arguing that he can sacrifice a few to save the many. That is the reason Tai Lung wasn't given the scroll. As for why Po, of all people, truly earned the scroll and became the Dragon Warrior ...
 * ... it was because Po, unlike Tai Lung, could interpret the scroll and come to terms with it. Now, take into account Tigress as well. The three of them - Tai Lung, Po, and Tigress - are Shifu's most notable students. More significantly, however, they work as a real Power Trio: Tai Lung is superego, Tigress is id, and Po is ego (heck he is black and white like a yin-yang sign). Which ties in brilliantly to the old East Asian - and the film's - theme of balance. The rest of the explanation should be obvious now.
 * Oogway warns Shifu that Tai Long will return, chooses Po as the Dragon Warrior knowing the intense difficulty that will be involved with training him, then . Thing is, the only reason Tai Lung escapes in the first place is because Shifu sends someone to check and make sure his prison is secure, which he does in response to Oogway's warning. If he was really prophetic, Oogway would have known that his warning would set in action that resulted in Tai Lung's release and subsequent defeat, and went along with it because he knew said chain of events would bring Shifu the closure and peace he's been denied for years. Which means Oogway plays a mean game of Xanatos Roulette.
 * Immediately after he tells Shifu about his vision and Shifu sends Zeng to the prison, Oogway turns away and mutters "One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it". He did know all along!
 * And as for why he would do this after Tai Long has be imprisoned for 20 years? Simple. He knew he was dying soon. He couldn't leave his successor as an emotional wreck. Shifu may have been a great teacher of Kung Fu, but was hardly the serene mentor and philosopher that Oogway was. Their differences in worldview become quite clear during the conversation by the peach tree. Oogway's time was up, so he set this chain of events into motion to make sure that the wisdom of Kung Fu would survive after was gone, not simply the techniques.
 * Indeed, much of Oogway's actions can be summed up by him attempting to teach the lesson of the scroll to the people around him and his own struggle to truly understand what the meaning of the scroll means for him. The peach tree was a two-part lesson - one, to try to teach Shifu that there are things you can change and things you can not change and it is wisdom to see the difference between these things and accept them/act upon them; it was also to try to show Shifu that the wisdom necessary to truly become Oogway's successor was already there... but Shifu, like Tai Lung, was looking for approval and some special 'moment' where 'ah ha!' he is now at this next level and could then allow Oogway to pass on. Oogway for his part understood at that point that in order for his successor to truly succeed him before his departure, he had to depart - that the power and ability to teach within Shifu as capable as Oogway believed was not within himself (Oogway) but within Shifu. And he realized he could not change that, not with any real amount of talking... so he moved on and understood that by doing so, this was how he could induce that change. Note that moments after this scene, Shifu has a minor epiphany on how to train Po... and this epiphany is basically the message of the Dragon scroll (the ability of Po as student and Shifu as master were already inside of them, they just needed to understand and see how).
 * Also, recall Shifu's lines when he's "sparring" with Po toward the beginning. Among them is that a true warrior takes his opponents strength and uses it against him. Now, remembering that, watch the final fight again, particularly the blows that Tai Lung actually lands on Po: His first attack makes Po bounce across the room and back, slamming Tai Lung. Later, Po throws him through a building with the recoil of his own strike. Most of the solid hits Po lands are a direct result of Tai Lung's own strength. Tai Lung, however, fails to realize this, and his own attacks end up doing him more harm than his opponent.
 * Most notably demonstrated in
 * I always wonder why people believe that the reason for Tai Lung's Face Heel Turn was Shifu being too lenient to him. Just because Master Tigress thinks that Tai Lung got love and affection that were denied her (because Shifu apparently thought that his - genuine - parental love needs not to be actually, you know, expressed)? Heh. See what Tai Lung's name means in the first place and think about what Shifu actually meant when he named his adopted son thusly. See how badly Shifu treats every pupil who disappoints him (which is obviously easy). Look at Shifu seeing his own reflection on the sword after Tai Lung's "Not your fault?!?" speech. No, Tai Lung's chief problem was not being spoiled (although he indeed learned all too well that a person's worth is measured by his/her kung fu skills, leaving him with a massive sense of entitlement once he felt that his kung fu is the best ever). Tai Lung' chief problem was that he was raised with the explicit purpose of becoming the Dragon Warrior his entire life and felt that his father's love and approval are entirely hinged on his success in that (and as far as we can tell Shifu didn't bother to reassure him otherwise after Ooogway denied him the Dragon Scroll).
 * That does bring up an interesting aspect that a non-adopted child might not think about. You live your life in fear and doubt. If I'm bad, will he just send me back to the orphanage? We're not blood related. Does he love me as a father loves a son or as a teacher loves a student? Does he even care. You strive to earn the love you already have, sometimes to an unhealthy level.
 * The above also raises another thing. Po was the only one of the choices not actively seeking to become Dragon Warrior. All he wanted was to learn Kung Fu because he truly loved it. Tai Lung and Shifu, and probably Tigress to some degree as well, all wanted to become the Dragon Warrior as their ultimate goal and had nothing beyond that. Po was the only one who had a different goal that could live beyond that. Po was the only one with the mindset to realize the truth of the Dragon Scroll and be able to do something with it because he hadn't tried to obtain it in the first place, instead of being horribly disappointed at working their entire life only to recieve a piece of reflective foil for all that hard work and having wasted their life. Ooogway picked Po because he could make being the Dragon Warrior a part of his life, as opposed to all of it.
 * Same can be said of the other Five - they believed Tigress would be the Dragon Warrior so they never had that detachment from it to understand that they aren't defined by that one position. That sometimes, it's the non-pursuit of something that allows you to find it (often something that happens in tales about enlightenment).
 * I just realized something about the movie even though its been out for years. The reason why Oogway refuses Tai Lung wasn't just because he sensed Tai Lung had darkness inside of him, its because he wouldn't have understood what it meant. Tai Lung raged to Shifu about his training about how he worked until his bones broke to make him proud. That means that his entire life he worked hard just so his father figure would be proud of him. He couldn't of understood the scroll that's measage is that its okay to be yourself if he lived his life for another person.
 * Indeed. Tai Lung had been trained and believed that to be special - to find that inner power - required some special outside 'thing'. Shifu did as well. So while Tai Lung got the special part down, he felt he needed this external validation to be 'more'.
 * What I saw in the movie, the point when Tai Lung really snaps is when Shifu tells him that he is still proud of Tai Lung. Until that point he was angrily and hurtfully taunting Shifu about what Shifu's training did to him. It was because for all that time he was angry at his father, over a decade of rage at someone who he never realized felt bad for putting him through that hell. When Shifu tells him that he's still proud of his son that makes all the hatred that Tai Lung counted on worthless which means that his prison life had just been a waste. Tai Lung being a martial artist knows that wasted time is a terrible thing and it causes him to completely snap.
 * I just realised, Oogway never said there was 'evil' in Tai Lung, just 'darkness'. 'Darkness' like his arrogance and over confidence that generally made him act like a Jerkass. Now imagine someone like that with the power of the Dragon Scroll (although, as pointed out above, several times, he wouldn't understand it). Tai Lung was the one who turned his inner darkness into straight evil.
 * While it's been mentioned that Tai Lung is guilty of filial impiety, making him more perfect as a Confucionist villain, it was only some time after finishing the film that I realized that this is also what makes Shifu a Confucionist hero-- Tai Lung rages that Shifu's sin was saying nothing in his defense when Oogway denied him the Dragon Scroll, but from the Confucionist standpoint, Shifu was in the right by not defying his own master. Admittedly, this falls apart a bit at the top of the chain, where Oogway is clearly a mentor in the Taoist tradition.
 * While probably not intentional, Lord Shen's colour motif marks well his status as a villain in an East Asian setting, as well as firmly a Light Is Not Good character. White is the colour of death, which fits closely with his health issues, while red is associated with both blood (obviously), but also with the Vermillion Bird, who associated with fire and positive emotions (all he wants is the attention he never got from his neglectful family, hence love).
 * On that note, perhaps Tai Lung could be associated with the White Tiger, which is associated with autumn and metal. Tai Lung certainly has some personality traits associated with metal; he's ridiculously strong in both offense and defense, his major concern is perfecting his craftsmanship of Kung Fu by learning all of it, and his mindset is rigid and inflexible, to the point that he's not truly able to understand the Dragon Scroll. Tai Lung's return is viewed as "steadily impending doom/death," like autumn is sometimes seen (when not admiring the pretty colors). And, of course, his physical appearance somewhat matches the White Tiger. Hopefully this is a delibrate pattern on the part of the writers which will be continued in future movies...because that would be cool.
 * I've been mulling this over for a bit, and I think Lord Shen defeated himself. Think about it: the soothsayer said someone who was "black and white" would defeat him. Lord Shen killed the pandas, which caused Po to be raised near the Jade Palace, which caused him to become the dragon warrior, which caused him to be able to stop Lord Shen, AND Lord Shen was eventually killed by his own cannon. Note that Lord Shen's main colors are WHITE, red, and BLACK. I really hope the creators meant to do this...
 * As mentioned in the Immovable Object entry on the main page, the cannon killed Master Rhino but spared Po. One specializes in a defense technique that requires him to stand his ground (taking on the full force of the blast), while the other has a style (and was learning a new technique) that works on redirecting any force applied against him.
 * Watching the movie, I noticed that Po seemed to be a little less... able to take hits. A few times it makes sense (punches to the face, and such) but a few times it didn't (am I supposed to believe that the Wolf Boss hits as hard as Tai Lung when he gut-punches Po and winds him?). But then I remembered an earlier scene, where Po's dad notes that he's 'lost some weight'. It's a throwaway line, but when you think about it, reducing his Kevlard really would make Po more susceptible to damage from direct hits.
 * Ping's also clearly worried about it, showing how well he knows his son and his fighting style. No wonder he's so concerned about their quest...
 * In the sequel, Tigress understands Po's identity crisis more than she lets on. In Secrets of the Furious Five, it was revealed that as a cub she lived in an orphanage until she was adopted by Shifu. There is currently no information about the status of her real parents, so it's quite possible that she knows little to nothing about them and went through an identity crisis similar to Po's at some point in her life. However, Po doesn't seem to realize any of this in Kung Fu Panda 2, even though he was the teller of Tigress' story in Secrets of the Furious Five. Either he assumed Tigress was too "hardcore" to let something like not knowing who she really was or where she came from bother her, or he was too caught up in his own crisis at the time to consider the possibility that even the "hardcore" might have feelings, too. It's not until she gives him the Cooldown Hug that this realization seems to dawn on him.
 * Tigress in the sequel is shown to be very adept at exploiting her opponent's movements, redirecting them to begin a throw and other "soft" moves that weren't part of her fighting style before. It is not very probable that she polished these because he anticipated the need to fight Po, particularly without harming him (too much). But it is entirely undertstandable that she wanted to expand her arsenal, after a direct application of her strength proved to be not enough to beat Tai Lung.
 * "I eat when I'm upset." becomes Fridge Tear Jerker when you really give it some thought. If Po's extremely fat, and he eats when he's upset..
 * Dips into Fridge Horror when you realize Po was found eating a whole crate of radishes when he was a child, right after the slaughter of the pandas and seeing his mother lure away the attackers. Small wonder how he associated eating with despair.
 * After doing some research, I am really starting to think Po and Tigress will get together because of a famous concept in Chinese philosophy: Yin and yang. Just in case you're not completely familiar with it, it essentially describes how two opposites need each other to create balance and harmony. Yin is feminine, dark, passive, quiet, introverted, and associated with night. Yang is masculine, light, active, loud, outgoing, and associated with the day. But what REALLY caught my eye were the animals that symbolize yin and yang. The TIGER represents YIN. The DRAGON represents YANG. Obviously, of course, this brings to mind Tigress and Po - the Dragon Warrior. Dating back to the first movie, we've seen a lot of scenes focusing on Tigress at night - when she tells Po "you don't belong here", the scene explaining Shifu and Tai Lung's history, Tigress and the four others running off to fight Tai Lung. In the second movie, there was  Whether you've seen the second movie or not, I'm sure you'd at least agree that a lot of Po-centric scenes occur in the first movie, and there are several of them in the second as well.     ;) Even in the Chinese Zodiac, there is a Year of the Tiger and a Year of the Dragon. When describing the personalities, of the zodiac, this was what I found. I highlighted stuff particularly worth noting. Female Tiger: She has got an allure to cut your breath, she is captivating, funny and sexy. She is also filled with an unsociable independence and the relationships based on possessiveness make her escape for sure. The Tigress makes men camp in front of her door so much her charm is powerful but only one of the most patient men can hope to capture. (I thought of the scene where Po watched Tigress shatter the tiles in midair in KFP, and then grabbed "The Love Chunk") XD Male Dragon: What motivates the life of a Dragon is difficulty, he needs to prove to himself that he is capable to surpass himself and that his destiny is not like those of the ordinary mortals. In love like in business he wants to dominate, he will never accept the supremacy of a woman for anything else than the education of his children. If you know how to preserve his interest alive, he will cover you with diamonds. KFP - "Yeah, I stayed. I stayed because [...] it could never hurt more than everyday of my life just being me. I stayed because I thought if anyone can change me, can make me not me, it was you!" (Po, to Shifu) Not everything about the Dragon really describes Po, but not everything about the Tiger describes Tigress, either. Whether or not they put a lot of research into it, Dreamworks did seem to have some knowledge of yin and yang, so they included the concepts in both movies. In the first movie, I remember it appears when Shifu describes how Oogway founded kung fu using "harmony and focus". In the second film,   ... To conclude, I would just like to add that in terms of astrology, I'm a Virgo - and therefore I tend to analyze, sometimes excessively. So this might be looking at it TOO much. But I like Po x Tigress, and I certainly hope they hook up in the next movie or two.
 * The movie and the background material seem to give accounts of Shen's parents that don't add up. The movie presents them as loving parents who ultimately died of grief at having been forced to outlaw their son for commiting genocide (banishment for such a crime seems like mercy truthfully) while the background material classifies them as being ashamed of their sickly albino son. But look at how Shen took his banishment, he saw it as a sign his parents hated him in spite of the fact he'd just committed one of the most horrible acts one could possibly commit. The one person who knew his parents when they gave him to her to raise was the Soothsayer, who outright tells Shen his parents did love him. On top of this, the Soothsayer is shown to be skilled in medicine when she . Whose to say Shen wasn't given the the Soothsayer to be cared for because he was sickly and it's merely his own thinking that makes him believe they were ashamed of him? If he could blame them for banishing him for genocide, it's perfectly in character for him.
 * Shen (besides raging at his parents for decrying his weaponization of fireworks in general) probably thinks that exterminating his enemies is his right as a Lord. The idea that lives of some peasants can be seen as valuable compared to his ambition might just never have occured to him.
 * The premise of Kung Fu Panda 2 seems to be symbolic- when the Europeans came to China and saw China's fireworks, they used the gunpowder and technology to invent weapons out of them. Lord Shen is a WHITE peacock, an anomaly, who immediately starts weaponizing fireworks. Or am I just over-analyzing this?
 * You are, if only because Chinese tried to weaponize gunpowder immediately after inventing it, their inventions just were inferior to true cannons.
 * You are way overanalyzing things. The Chinese did not make cannons in the European style. They did make rockets for warfare, though. As for Shen, his color is rather appropriate. White is considered to be the color of death in China, if I'm remembering correctly. Shen wants to rule China if not the entire world. He has a surprisingly large body count by the end of the film, even personally killing his second in command onscreen. I believe his color, the color of death, is quite appropriate.
 * The main plot of the first film may be that Po is an Ascended Fanboy who is The Chosen One, but the film is really more about Shifu than Po. The first film dealt with him inheriting the role of master after Oogway's death, and thus he is to train the Dragon Warrior, whom he is refusing to BELIEVE is the Dragon Warrior. He had to learn to accept Po for who he is in order to properly train him, and in the process, Po trained him to be a better person and to find his inner peace. Thus, in the sequel, Shifu became a secondary, if not minor character, because it wasn't about him. It was about Po discovering himself.
 * If Shifu can be considered the main protagonist of the first film, then Shen can be considered his foil. Both tried to avert a prophesied disaster, but in doing so inadvertently caused said disaster to happen. Both also had an elder who watched over them during their development. However, where Shifu tried to keep Oogway from leaving and later held onto Oogway's teachings regardless of the circumstances (he obviously had no idea how to turn Po into the Dragon Warrior, even till the end), Shen sent away the Soothsayer and decided his own choices were better than hers. Bonus points since both elders could see the future, but only the pupil that listened was able to attain happiness.
 * Ping's secret ingrediant becomes something of this with his statement in the second film. "I took you inside, fed you, gave you a bath, and fed you again...and again, and tried to put some pants on you. And then I made a decision that would change my life forever. To make my soup without radishes, and to raise you as my own son. Xiao Po, my little panda."

Fridge Logic:
"Wings of Justice!!!"
 * In the sequel, what happened to Crane's broken wing? One scene he's forced to run, the next scene he's flying fine, and the next scene, well,


 * When did anyone say it was broken? He probably just strained or sprained it. Plus, we have no idea how long Po was out. Those two facts put together leads me to believe that Crane injured his wing in some way, and it healed off screen before the big confrontation.
 * Crane's left wing was indeed injured while Shen was firing cannon balls at the tower. Crane even says it himself, and it looks pretty messed up, but I don't think it was broken.
 * Most likely, kung fu masters can heal faster than ordinary beings, by directing their chi (also explains why medicine in KFP verse seemingly mostly boils down to acupuncture, i.e., chi manipulation). Once Crane had time to catch his breath, he was able to recover. Plus, Mantis is an acupuncturist, he may have had a hand -- er -- pincer in the deal.
 * In the sequel, when did the Wolf Boss get out of Shen's Palace? Last time we saw him, he was hit by a flying piece of furniture, and not thirty seconds later, Shen escapes and orders the tower destroyed. Did he really climb down all those stairs in such a short amount of time?
 * It's a LOT easier to go down stairs than it is to climb them. He also likely fled just after Po and the others got free and attacked. And wolves are fast creatures.