Young Justice (animation)/Fridge

Fridge Brilliance

 * In Indepence Day Green Arrow asks Speedy if he is ready to see the inner sanctum and Speedy replies: "Born that Way"
 * Superboy's purpose is to replace Superman if he perishes or if he turns from The LIGHT. Nothing wrong with that right?. Until you realize the villain's group name is The Light. Then you remember that there is a mole on the team...Fallen Legend.
 * A lot of people come down hard on Superman for his treatment of Superboy, but think about it, how would you feel if someone cloned you? You'd probably be really really freaked out about it and might not have anything to do with them. It's easy for the rest of the League (and the fandom) to judge him because it's not their clone, no one stole their essence for the express purpose of either replacing them or destroying them, whichever proves most convenient first. His reaction is completely human and serves ground him as a human character rather than an alien like the Martian Manhunter.
 * Additionally, more than one person has compared it to finding out that you have a child who was conceived by rape without your knowledge. It may not be the kid who bothers you so much as the method by which they came into existence, mainly the violation of you. It's not a perfect comparison, but it has merits. - Katsuhagi
 * Agreed, the whole thing plays out like a male rape victim finding out his attacker became pregnant by him and then shafting him for child support. Nothing about the situation (For the parent or the child) is fair, and yet he's constantly being preached to that he needs to "take responsibility" when he actually isn't responsible for anything.
 * The Superboy as a Child by Rape works even better once is revealed that . Basically someone who hated Superman took something very important from him and gave life to a child of both
 * Or just the fact that there's been a kid dropped in his lap, period. Compare Superman and Superboy to Batman and Robin: in most versions, Bruce Wayne watches in horror as Dick Grayson's parents die, and takes Dick in because he identifies with him, because he remembers what it was like to be a kid whose parents had just been murdered before your very eyes. It was his choice, and something he could afford to do because he's a) filthy rich and b) he has a butler to cook, clean, babysit, and do whatever else needs to be done. On the other hand, Clark Kent is a middle-class newspaper reporter. He probably lives alone, is extremely busy with both journalism and the Justice League, and doesn't have a spare college fund lying around. He isn't trying to be cruel--he rationalizes his avoidance of Superboy to Batman as him not wanting to prop himself up as something Superboy has to aspire to--but he's in both shock at being cloned (how? why?) and denial of having any responsibility because he didn't expect "Bring Your Sidekick To Work Day" to end with the said sidekicks finding a clone of him. A clone that only took about 4 months to reach teenagerhood. By the end of the season, they could have an entire army of Superman clones--it's a lot for one person to deal with, and adding things like "Did he eat right?" and "Did he finish his homework?" is just too much even for the Man of Steel to deal with all at once.
 * In other words, Superman's reaction to Superboy is a calmer and quieter version of Goliath's reaction to Thailog.
 * Also, what finally gets Superman to open up to Superboy?  By showing in no uncertain terms that yes, Conner is willing to go all the way to do the right thing, he undeniably proves to Superman that he is a real hero, and not a weapon.
 * Miss Martian's "Hello Megan" was really grating for a lot of fans. Until you realize that this and her other mannerisms are very similar to how children of immigrants try very hard to fit in. All she knows about Earth culture is from watching TV. By showing off her powers, the gadgets and the headquarters, she really wants to be liked by the others. Notice how freaked out she was when the others yelled at her for using her telepathy (something that she always use to do at home) and how later she abides by those rules so she could fit in more.
 * The episode "Image" confirms this and then some. Her entire 'Megan' persona, including her physical appearance, is explicitly modeled after the main character of the in-universe sitcom "Hello Megan". And the real reason she's so desperate to fit in? She absolutely terrified of how people would react to her true form,.
 * In "Terrors," Superboy actually bites back at her when she tells the Belle Reve psychologist about his daddy issues, yelling that he doesn't live in a fantasy world where everything can be solved in half an hour. Given the events of "Image," one realizes why that statement seemed to hurt her so much.
 * It was surprising to see that Batman was the firm yet fair, supportive father figure to the team, while Superman is more aloof and distant. However Batman has more experience dealing with kids like Robin compared to Superman.
 * And presumably since Robin is Dick Grayson, the first Robin, this is a universe where Jason Todd hasn't been Robin, and by extension hasn't died, so Batman has yet to lose one of his "kids" like he has in the comics continuity.- Katsuhagi
 * In the episode "Infiltrator", the reason Wally had to go to school but Robin didn't was because in an earlier episode ("Schooled"), Young Justice fought the final battle against Amazo in Robin's school. The school is being rebuilt!
 * In Episode 5, when Bruce Wayne invites Clark Kent for dessert, the two of them are briefly heard giving orders in a "blink and you'll miss it" moment. So what do the two order for their respective deserts? Clark Kent orders apple pie and Batman orders devils food cake. That's right--the American big blue boy scout ordered apple pie, a food associated with being wholesome and American, and the Dark-friggin-Knight ordered a dark dessert nicknamed for a dark lord of the underworld. - King Zeal
 * It also speaks to their backgrounds, Clark is a farmboy, pie would be a common dessert around the Kent household, Bruce is a billionaire playboy and Devil's Food cake is often unbelievably rich.
 * In Episode 8, Robin gets angry and jealous that Batman privately lectured Aqualad on the team's failure in the fight against Clayface. Why would that bug him so much, considering it was Aqualad's job as team leader to take responsibility for what happened? Because Robin is used to having Batman's full attention as his sidekick for four years and on top of that, he was adopted and obviously is afraid of losing his adoptive parent's attention! - Pickled Plums
 * It becomes a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming when Batman realizes this and spends some quality time playing some basketball with Robin to assure him that nobody will ever replace him.
 * Artemis' real first name is Artemis, which seems like it would make it really easy for enemies to find her. But then I realized that this probably hides her identity better than most heroes' aliases because most villains probably wouldn't think to look for someone who has the same code name and secret identity!
 * Actually, she's better protected than that. Odds are, no one outside of the Justice League, her team, and the people she knows personally has any idea who she is. Unlike Robin, Wally, Roy, or Kaldur, she's not a "known" sidekick. And since the whole point of the team is to perform jobs that require a lower profile than the JL, they're hardly going to advertise her existence. This is illustrated in-series during Red Arrow's interrogation of Cheshire in "Targets", when she slips and nearly calls "Art--chery Girl" by her real name. Since Artemis' real name is also her hero handle, there's no reason for Cheshire to hide that she knows that name...unless Artemis' code name isn't public knowledge.
 * In the episode with Dr. Fate, Kid Flash explains away his hidden tower with some technobabble to explain the invisible tower. Unseen behind them, Klarion calls out Abra Kadabra for using the exact same technobabble to perform the illusion. This one off joke actually explains why Wally is calling out the tricks: He's fought Abra Kadabra before and the same tricks.
 * You remember that, in "Denial," Kaldur's the one to explain about Wally's issues with magic? It's because Kaldur practices magic and has already tried to convince him! -jenicaaladima
 * In Downtime it's revealed that Kaldur chose to go to the surface instead of focusing on his magic studies. It's easy to think Kaldur could have had cool water powers if he'd just stayed in Poseidonis, except that, if you think about it, everything he could have learned would have been superfluous. Yes the Atlanteans had cool moves, like summoning giant octopi or tempests, but pretty much ALL of them involved using a huge amount of water, something that Kaldur wouldn't usually have on the surface. Yeah, Kaldur's water weapons aren't as cool or as elegant as what some of the other Atlanteas can do, but they're pretty much the most efficient way to use water manipulation powers on the surface.
 * In "Denial" there is a moment where Wally and Artemis are transported to Kent by his cane. When Wally sees them, he calls out the name of the person he recognizes on reflex. Afterward, the cane summons Kent to it. The cane might not have done that by itself. Wally was holding the equivalent of a magic wand and said the words Abra Kadabra.
 * She always wondered why Megan and Conner didn't start school at the same time as Wally, what with the three of them being/appearing high school-age, until she saw the scene in "Targets" where Martian Manhunter tells Superboy he needs a civilian name while attending school. Naturally, the League needed to create official government files for the civilian identities of an alien superhero and a clone--one can't just shove a kid in school without proper documents in hand! Kudos to the writers for really thinking this out (especially in the world of ratings, writers tend to skip steps to move the plot forward).
 * Of course, it could just be as simple as the writers acknowledging that schools in different parts of the country (or even different parts of the same state) often have different start dates. Happy Harbor is in Rhode Island, while this iteration of Central City (where this Wally West lives, although he goes to Keystone High) is in Missouri.
 * On a different subject, this means that Wally is from "The Show-Me" state.
 * According to Greg Weisman, Roy is 18 years old, meaning that, in the United States, he's considered an adult in the eyes of the law. He can't drink yet, but he can enlist for military service or sign a contract without anyone else's permission. Which makes his frustration at the League's "When you're older" refrain a lot more sympathetic. However, Weisman also reveals that Batman himself is only 32. Doing the math, Batman is only fourteen years older than Red Arrow (and, incidentally, 19 years older than 13-year-old Robin). The reason Roy is so pissed off is that the leader of the Justice League is young enough to be his older brother, and yet they keep insisting a legal adult they've fought beside for three years isn't even ready to see beyond the library of their dummy headquarters.
 * It gets better! Black Canary, one of the Team's instructors, is 24 years old. That's only six years older than Roy.
 * Let's all hope Roy never finds out about Captain Marvel, the Leaguer who is eight years younger.
 * It looks like no one at all in either the League or The Team knows that captain Marvel is really a 10-year-old boy, which makes sense in a way. A kid with as much power and Captain Marvel would likely never be allowed on either team, and possibly taken into custody away from his uncle and legal guardian.
 * And just to twist the knife in a little more, piecing together various Word of God statements shows that Roy may have actually been hero-ing longer than Billy has.
 * Well,
 * And now all the adults know, and Wonder Woman isn't too happy he didn't tell everyone he was 10. But given that she's all about truth, it's understandable.
 * As of 'Homefront' it is confirmed that Cheshire is Artemis' sister...now her interactions with Sportsmaster in 'Targets' has a whole new light shed on it. He's her father...no wonder she wasn't exactly thrilled about being busted out of jail by him and having to work with him. He probably wasn't happy he had to rescue his daughter who walked out on their family. It especially makes sense when one considers their dialogue... "Ugh...it just had to be you." "Beggars can't be choosers, LITTLE GIRL." Nice way of subtly dropping hints.
 * Calling your council of behind-the-scenes masterminds "the Light" is basically the same as calling them "The Illuminati".
 * Robin's non-reaction to founding out Artemis goes to his school and her lying about in "Homefront" then finding out there might be a mole on the team in "Alpha Male". He doesn't accuse Artemis of being the mole because she is going to his school in Gotham and she was introduced by Green Arrow and his mentor, Batman. Batman obviously knows her cover story is a lie, because he probably was the one who made it up, and is likely using Artemis as a deep cover ace in the hole for some reason Robin hasn't figured out yet. As far as Robin's concerned, she's the least likely to be the mole.
 * It is revealed in "Secret's" that Robin already knew who her parents were and knew that Green Arrow being Artemis's uncle was a lie. It may have to do with him never questioning Batman's judgement.
 * It may also be because he feels sympathy for her.
 * In "Failsafe" Wally says that the weapons of the Aliens are not Disintegrators but Teleporters. Later it is revealed that they are actually disintegrators. So why would Wally think they are teleporters? Well if one stops to consider how teleporters work in the first place...
 * Robin did say at one point that the alien lasers worked much like zeta beams, which are teleporters.
 * In "Failsafe", this troper was bothered by how Wally borrowed M'gann's catchphrase, "Hello Wally!" Then after seeing the end, I understood why.
 * If you spend enough time around someone, chances are you'll start picking up some of their habits. We've already seen various members of the team use Robin's words, Kaldur pulled a ninja-act in "Downtime", and Robin practically admitted to Zatanna that Wally's flirting has influenced his flirting. Wally probably just picked up Megan's catchphrase.
 * Or both!
 * A thought just occurred to me after I started watching "Salvage". When the Zeta-shield activates, there is no sound. But in "Failsafe", I recall that there was sound when the "Justice League" is killed. They were in space. Sound in space was an indicator that it was not real!
 * T.O. Morrow and Reds Tornado, Torpedo, and Volcano are all voiced by Jeff Bennett. At first, it would seem like this is a way to cut down on voice actors, but since Morrow is their creator, it's only logical for the male Reds to have the same voice as their "father".
 * After  Kaldur reveals in "Disordered" that he doesn't think he's fit to be leader anymore after "acting like a soldier". In reality, he likely saved everyone.   Granted, there's no way he could have known that at the time, but it's still awesome nevertheless.
 * According to Word of God, Wally takes Latin in school. Why would Wally take Latin? Because it's the language most scientific names and terms are derived from.
 * The screw up over Artemis' eye color in promotional material makes a lot of sense in light of the fact that Greg Weisman is colorblind. It's entirely possible that he just didn't catch it since he couldn't see it, since he needs help with coloring choices.
 * A lot of people go on about how subdued The Joker was in his appearance on the show and thought he wasn't enough of a Large Ham. Then you remember he outright admits to 'juggling his multiple personalities.' He can switch between his personalities at will and chose a more subdued, team friendly one on purpose.
 * Count Vertigo playing the Diplomatic Impunity card for openly staging world-wide terrorism is pretty jarring, except with Vlatava recently losing its king and its current child queen being sick, there was too much going on for Vlatava to try him under their own laws.
 * "Coldhearted" takes place roughly four days after the events of "Misplaced". Doesn't seem like anything right? Wrong. During "Misplaced" Queen Perdita spends a day away from her doctors meaning her condition worsened. So the Light planned not just a distraction in "Misplaced", but softened up their target for the events of "Coldhearted".
 * "Insecurity" reveals that Artemis' mother Paula used to be the criminal known as Huntress. That was the original alias of Paula's counterpart in the main DCU until the Batman supporting character Huntress was introduced, so her alias was retconned to Tigress. The show uses the original name because it relates to Artemis, being named after the archer goddess of the hunt. But if the writers had used the name Tigress, it would then relate to Jade, Paula's other daughter who uses her own cat motif as Cheshire.
 * In "Usual Suspects," how Aqualad is unfazed at
 * Again, in "Usual Suspects", Superboy  In a previous episode, "Agendas",   So what's the brilliant part about it all?
 * In "Targets," Sportsmaster revealed to Aqualad that there was a mole on his team.
 * It attains a second level when you consider that, way to think ahead.
 * A minor one in "Targets",.
 * In "Humanity", the first three Red androids created by T. O. Morrow are created to infiltrate the superheroes and bring them down from within. All three end up overcoming their programming and saving the world.
 * Red Arrow spent the second half of the season suspecting  In "Auld Acquaintance" it turns out that
 * Remember The Light's plan for Robin, Aqualad and Kid Flash from Independence Day? Clone them and send in the clones as replacements? I always thought that they came up with it a little too fast, that they couldn't know if the personalities would clone as well. Well, thanks to Auld Acquaintances,
 * Remember how Poison Ivy had commented on the Joker's ability to control various plant-monsters in various locations at the same time? It's very likely due to his chaotic mind.
 * Also note how the Injustice League had combined Ivy's plants with Wotan's magic, Ultra-Humanite's science, and Atomic Skull's energy.
 * After the Time Skip, while the Team has gone through some radical changes in roster, the Justice League seems to have changed very little, with only three new members. But remember what happened the last time they made a recruiting drive? They're being cautious to ensure that the  doesn't happen again.
 * Five actually, Rocket, the newest, is number 26. They were at 21 last time. A one a year ratio.
 * Prior to season two starting, people were wondering why Miss Martian changed her appearance. Now watch the second episode of season two.
 * Why are Nightwing, Superboy, and Miss Martian still on The Team and not members of the league yet?
 * Alternately: Nightwing was destined to lead this team, the team was Miss Martian's home for her entire stay on Earth, and Superboy spent his whole life on it.
 * Superboy's issues with not aging make a little more sense when you realize he looks just like a young Superman. Part of what's bothering him is that he's never going to get to look like a full-grown Superman.
 * Bart Allen's Future Slang comes from witnessing the events of his Bad Future and his experiences with Neutron.
 * Superboy's issues with not aging make a little more sense when you realize he looks just like a young Superman. Part of what's bothering him is that he's never going to get to look like a full-grown Superman.
 * Bart Allen's Future Slang comes from witnessing the events of his Bad Future and his experiences with Neutron.

Fridge Logic

 * In the opening fight of Welcome to Happy Harbor, once Speedy hits Brick with the high density polyurethane foam everyone seems to forget the fact that Brick probably can't breath under it and he's most likely suffocating as they are having their conversation... - Tableau
 * Oh c'mon, the stuff was invented by Green Arrow. He's got the same anti-kill rules as Batman, plus he's the DCU's most prominent liberal figure. Chances are, the arrow's designed to restrain without suffocating.
 * High density polyurethane foam isn't made up, it's real and you can't breath through it.
 * "Terrors" confirms that Brick is alive and well, albeit incarcerated.
 * In Episode 8, Aqualad and Garth are able to infiltrate Black Manta's operation by knocking out a couple of guards and stealing their uniforms.... uniforms that are scuba gear and (assuming these guys are normal humans) the only thing keeping them alive in the underwater environment. Aqualad and Garth had to have logically killed them to take their gear. It's not given a second thought in the episode.
 * There's no reason they couldn't have left the "scuba gear" part of the suit on the two mooks, while only taking the outside.
 * Black Manta's men were talking into their helmets using radio, the only way to do that under water is if the helmet was part of their breathing apparatus. Garth and Aqualad took their helmets. And another thing, we have no idea how far under water they are, their suits were probably pressurized keeping their body from imploding so even if they were some how able to breath they'd be crushed under the weight of the water without their gear.
 * Besides, I'm pretty sure Aqualad is shown killing those same Mooks earlier with his water-swords. I don't think he has too many qualms about taking a life in battle.
 * So a subversion of the general Thou Shall Not Kill rule of DCU heroes?
 * The way I see it is that it's a defense of their country. Like any military/police force, if they need to kill, they got to kill.
 * I completely agree in the belief that they were justified to kill in that situation; it's just that DC heroes tend not to even when it would be acceptable. A DC character that doesn't follow the Thou Shall Not Kill rule is hardly ever not a villain. It's so ingrained into the universe that to have a Young Justice member who will kill (even in the most justified circumstances) is such a huge thing that it would have been given more attention if it hadn't been Fridge Logic (which it was).
 * I assumed Black Manta's men were rogue Atlanteans/Mermen and could breath under water anyway and that the suits were just for armour/comms/scanning. Didn't consider otherwise until I read this. But Garth is a fairly proficiant magician so I'd assume one of the first spells they'd learn is a water breathing one for when surface dwellers need to visit or be rescued.
 * Just rewatched the episode. If you look closely, you can see that Black Manta's troops have webbing on their hands, the same way Aqualad and the other atlanteans do. This most likely means they are Atlantean.
 * The tie-in comics reveal that the troops are made up of humans who were mutated so that they could breathe and swim underwater.
 * In "Bereft," a group of soldiers were restraining a berserk Superboy long enough for him to be telepathically put to sleep. How did those soldiers manage to tie the rope around his arms in the first place?
 * Same way you lasso a wild animal I imagine.
 * The Justice League has access to instant transportation making it so most of the Young Justice kids don't have to live in the same house, or even the same state, to still work together as a team for the League. But even though Wally lives all the way in Missouri yet can make it to team practice all the way in Rhode Island in a blink of an eye, Aqualad is forced to live away from Atlantis. As shown in "Downtime", Atlantis has a Zetabeam tube, so why can't he live with his family and friends, like the other teammates do, and be part of Young Justice at the same time?
 * Perhaps to avoid getting the Bends and to avoid from frequently switching from a high pressure environment to a low pressure one.
 * Which brings up another question: If Miss M. and Superboy are the only ones shown to live in Mount Justice, where does Aqualad live?
 * I'm guessing Pearl Harbor since that' where they showed him in the Pilot while all the other sidekicks were introduced in their home towns.
 * I think it's more of a mind thing. If Aqualad isn't committed to the team because he's constantly worrying about home, being there on vacation etc. he's not fit to be leader. If an emergency comes up and Aqualad must first be contacted, they loose valuable time.
 * There are a lot of reasons why that doesn't make a lot of sense. Just because you're a leader doesn't mean you aren't allowed to have a home life. Batman is the leader of the Justice League that deals with much higher stakes than Young Justice but he's still allowed to live his own separate life and raise his kid.
 * Yes, but that's Batman. Different people react to these things differently, so Aqualad may need to have the division in order to keep up his own private focus. Besides, there's a big difference between living in another U.S. State and living in an entirely separate country. (Which Atlantis is, since it even has a capital. It's possible that Aqualad and Aquaman are considered ambassadors much as Wonder Woman is in some canons, thus it's somewhat expected for them to live in on land for long stretches of time)
 * Greg Weisman explains the difference between living in a city and a country.
 * Then why doesn't he live in the same city as his friends?
 * Probably because the school where he met them and studied his magical skills is in a different city than where he actually lives.
 * Why?
 * Because that's where his family (except for his dad, obviously) lives?
 * It's also possible that him and Garth lived in this other city before they helped Aquaman, and then after that Aqualad traveled with Aquaman (while still living elsewhere), which meant he speant time in Poseidonis (thus meeting Tula), and Garth moved to Poseidonis to train under Mera.


 * If Ivo escaped in "Schooled", why do we see him handing out laundry to inmates at Belle Reve in "Terrors"? Accidental cameo?
 * He was probably recaptured by the League at some point.
 * And they never bothered to mention that? Seems like the writers just decided that on a whim and was like...hey audience, the League managed to capture Ivo off screen, in case you were wondering...I don't know...seems like a copout if that's the case.
 * Why would that be a copout? Why would they even mention it? It isn't like "Terrors" took place a short time after "Schooled". There are a LOT of heroes and a LOT of villains.
 * Yeah. It wouldn't have hurt for them to mention it in passing or something, but the show is about Young Justice (Even if they aren't called that yet), not the Justice League. So unless what the League is doing directly affects YJ, we probably won't hear about it.
 * Why was MISS MARTIAN the one who had to tell Superboy 'On a mission, I'm your teammate, not your girlfriend'. Isn't she the one who freaked out when Superboy was nabbed?
 * And she reacted like she did because she was telepathically linked to a teammate who was being tortured. There's quite a bit on headscratchers about why she did what she did in that episode.
 * Erm, are we also forgetting that in "Bereft", Superboy was a mindless berserker because of the amnesia? She was rushing to save his life and any remainder of his humanity because God knows what would have happened if he was left to his own, without his memories of anything for much longer. Besides, look at what she said in context. If your job is a high-risk job and you break taboo by being in a relationship with a co-worker, of course your first instinct is to worry for their safety. Superboy, who is already protective, is going over board to the point where Miss Martian's own ability as an efficient member of the team was being compromised (what Action Girl would appreciate being told she needs constant protecting by someone, particularly a man, when she can hold her own?)
 * Bullets bounced right off of Superboy's skin in "Bereft", but Wolf's teeth left marks in "Alpha Male"? How does that work?
 * Maybe Conner's powers work a bit like the shields from Dune where faster moving objects are easily deflected while slower ones can still damage him (since in the comics his powers were derived from a telekinetic field generated around his body there were ways to get around them). Also remember that Wolf is not an ordinary animal anymore, it's possible he's just as strong as Conner is.
 * If Secret how was she able to remove Zatanna's gag?
 * While I know very little about the comics' version of Secret,  often have at least some ability to affect the physical world.
 * Supported by it being the Halloween episode.
 * Word of God has confirmed that she can interact with the physical world, it just takes a lot of concentration.
 * In "Failsafe", the cave's computer identified the soldier the team took with them by name and affiliation (the Marines). How would it get this information without being backdoored into the Pentagon?
 * On one hand, yes, maybe the Justice League does have connections to the Pentagon. On the other hand,.
 * In "Drop-Zone", why the hell could Bane, a guy with Super Strength, not break out of being tied to a tree with a freaking rope?
 * He only has regular strength when he's not using venom.
 * In "Image", Queen Bee's power is stated to work on "most men and some women", suggesting that it relies on the target being able to be attracted to Queen Bee (i.e. straight men, homosexual women, and bisexuals). Taking this into account, how does it then work on ?
 * So in "Earthlings", when Beast Boy has a minor Heroic BSOD after seeing a scene that reminded him of his mother's death he transforms so that he looks like a normal human... except that he's still green. This troper assumed that his being green was like his being half monkey; a choice he made in order to look cool. However, the fact that he is still green during his Glamor Failure confused this troper. Miss Martian is actually a White Martian, so why is his skin green?
 * Miss Martian mentions that her shapeshifting includes everything down to the cellular level. Since she was green while giving Beast Boy blood, her cells (and presumably here DNA) were saying green instead of white. So Beast Boy turns green.
 * Alternatively, he's green because that's how he looks in the comics.
 * The Light's plan seemed to have railed on their mole,  Just what would have happened if their mole was killed?
 * Alternatively, he's green because that's how he looks in the comics.
 * The Light's plan seemed to have railed on their mole,  Just what would have happened if their mole was killed?

Fridge Horror
"Artemis: Must've been the last thing ever saw."
 * It's already mentioned in the Fridge Logic section but Brick is slowly suffocating by the polyurethane foam while still conscious and who knows how long he was stuck there until they finally got the foam off of him.
 * Artemis' dad is somebody who would dress her up while she was asleep or unconscious, and is also the kind of person who would ask Artemis to kill a hero as a test.
 * Looking from Artemis's perspective, she woke up with her clothes changed, with some guy in a cabin in the middle of the desert without any knowledge of getting there in the first place. Is it any idea that she was naturally freaked out?
 * Comic book devotees already know that Artemis' dad is, so yeah. Her dad is.
 * Isn't anyone else Squicked about the "dress her up while she's asleep" part?!
 * Yes.
 * Guys relax on the Paedoparanoia please.
 * It can be squicky without  actually, intentionally molesting  - the sheer lack of respect for her boundaries alone would do it, methinks...
 * More of a Fridge Horror to this troper than others, probably, but she's grown attached to the shows presentation of the Bruce Wayne/Dick Grayson dynamic. It's been mentioned on this site for this show that Batman's relationships with Robin is the healthiest its ever been represented as concerning their split-up. With a Robin aged 13-years-old and the show just starting (with Robin doing the hero gig for 3 years) you'd think that the writers will wait another season before stressing the bonds between the Dynamic Duo. Then come episode 17 . Ladies and gentlemen, it starts here.
 * Not necessarily. Greg Weisman has said on Ask Greg that he never understood why Batman had to suddenly be all hateful so Dick can break off. Dick doesn't want to be Batman...but Batman's not the only hero who takes wing in the night.
 * Not wanting to be somebody doesn't imply a bad relationship - to this troper, it was simply Robin not considering himself "strong" enough to take exacty the same determined and all-sacrificing role as Batman; Robin seems to admire Batman's ways still, but, having experienced how it feels, sees that it's not a path he's willing to go. Cut the boy some slack, he's thirteen and acting like Batman is quite a burden.
 * Batman states in one of the episodes he took in Dick so he would not become Batman. In timeskip I wouldn't be surprised if there was a whole "arc" behind the scenes of Robin learning how to be an effective leader without being as cold and detached as Batman is, culminating in Batman telling Dick it's time for him to go out on his own and Robin becoming Nightwing. And they all lived happily ever after. The end.
 * In-universe example in "Secrets": Artemis finding exactly where  was murdered, based off the word "secret" shown on a neon store sign across the street from where she and Zatanna were standing.


 * In Misplaced, Klarion splits everyone into two parallel realities; one with only adults and one with only children. During the episode, the airplane pilot with Billy Batson (Captain Marvel's human child form) turns 18 and gets transported into the adult reality without her airplane and starts falling through the air. Fortunately, Billy turned into Captain Marvel and managed to save her in time. All good. Then, you stop and realise that there must have been HUNDREDS of planes in the air when Klarion first split the two worlds; all of which would have either disappeared or crashed in the children's world when the adults disappeared.
 * In the same episode, what happened to the newborn babies without their moms or doctors? How many babies died because the moment they were born, they were transported to an entirely separate world without anyone to help them live?
 * I thought Captain Marvel destroyed the plane when he transformed.
 * No, when he transformed he transported himself into the adult world, where the plane had never taken off to begin with. Presumably, with no pilot, it went on to crash in the child world.
 * when the world split Zatanna's dad was floating a crate, kid world it fell, adult world he was still floating it. Klarion even mentions that the Fate 's helmet was split between the worlds. The plane in the adult world was still at the airport, the plane in the kid world crashed. I am wondering what happened to it once reintegrated.
 * The funny thing is that Generator Rex had a similar episode where almost everyone in the world blacked out, and they all but stated that millions of people died. YJ saw fit to just imply it. For example, all the parents who were driving their car along the highway with kids in the back. Not all of them would've had their kid crash safely and get rescued by Superboy.
 * For the record, Greg Weisman had similar events in Gargoyles, like when Oberon made all of Manhattan black out. Word of God confirmed in those cases that yes, lots of people died.
 * Even worse, what happened to the pregnant women?
 * *cough* Mera. *cough*
 * Yet another bit of horror to an already horrifying scenario. What happened to all the kids who where in critical care at the time? What would happen to a child undergoing surgery at the time?
 * In Misplaced, just how screwed up was your childhood that you live in a Western country, but don't know how 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star' goes?
 * It is completely possible she messed up on purpose to make it funny. That would be a good way to distract the kids from the
 * Personal experience, messing up songs makes little kids laugh. Also, a cut scene shows that Artemis started singing ABC right afterwards, making it more likely that she's doing it on purpose.
 * It may have been inappropriate for Miss Martin to role play as Black Canary with Superboy but did Batman really need to show Black Canary the video of their intimate moment together?
 * And what else does Batman have on video?
 * Forget that! The important question is for how long does that video of Megan and Conner go on?
 * On that note, in that same episode we find out that her shape shifting works on a cellular level which means it may be possible for her to actually have a child with Superboy even though she is Martian and he is mostly Kryptonian.
 * In Images, Queen Bee has the power to manipulate people of either sex, and it doesn't even matter what age they are. She was able to manipulate Garfield to hurt himself should M'gann step any closer, but could you imagine if she could make an army of kids to do her bidding?
 * What happened to Dubbilex and the other Genomorphs that escaped from Cadmus and formed their own city, which Superboy accidentally helped Cadmus discover? As nice as the Guardian is, it's doubtful that Dubbilex will avoid punishment or further restrictions to prevent him from trying something like this again.
 * In "Agendas" its said by the league that Miss Martin is biologically 48 and superboy 6 months old but no one seems to worry about the Unfortunate Implications of their relationship.
 * Now the whole Black Canary Shapeshifting thing does not seem so Squick in comparison because shes only 24.
 * And being a shapeshifter Miss Martian is really only choosing to look 16, nothings is making her look that way.  which may be more Squicky than just and alien stealth pedophile.
 * Except that M'gann is chronologically 48 Earth years and biologically 16 Earth years. Even on Mars she is still a teenager.
 * Chronologically is even worse! She's been alive longer than Superman and still acts like bubbly ditz, and because J'onn is the only other Martian we know we don't know if this is typical behavior for 48-year-old Martian, She could have chosen to look more like an adult if she wanted to.
 * What don't you understand about biologically? Yes we don't have any other Martians to compare M'gann to, however inverse there are other Martians and J'onn doesn't think there's anything wrong with the way she's acting so she probably is acting like a typical teenager on Mars. And it's also not fair to compare her to Superman because Martian biology is obviously different from Kryptonian. Kyptonians probably reach adults maturity around the same time as humans and have a prolonged adulthood but Martians seemed to have a prolonged everything. We also don't know how long M'gann was an infant, toddler and child for, but one can assume four times as long as human children. M'gann is at the same maturity and biological age as Superboy which makes this relatioship perfectly acceptable.
 * Considering the highly unusual circumstances surrounding both of their backgrounds, why should typical human standards of morality ever apply to their relationship? It's not like there's a whole lot of 16 week old female clones out there for Conner to court, and Megan is... well, can a shapeshifter really be said to have an 'original' form, especially given Megan's rather complex issues with her own self-image and species?
 * Along the same lines, wouldn't applying typical human standards mean Conner is meant to be with actual 16-year-old infants, while Megan, at the maturity she is shown to have, would be looking to get with potentially much older men?
 * Any other in-universe moment is when  and Conner wonders what else he could make him do.
 * Something else to consider: does the red sun thing only work when  says it?
 * The revelation that  gets more disturbing when you remember
 * How do you know The Guardian is really Roy's uncle? Because Cadmus says so?
 * is already pretty disturbing, but it gets worse for anyone familiar with his mainstream universe backstory If this familial connection is present in this universe as well
 * Ok yes the Vandal eating Roy's arm is freaky. But this troper has another theory as to why the arm is missing from the real Roy. IT IS ON CLONE-ROY, SO HE HAS THE RIGHT FINGER PRINTS AND BIO METRICS!!
 * By definition, being a clone would cover that without needing the arm. Also, it would be necessary to transplant both arms in that situation.
 * From a real world scientific standpoint, no. Red Arrow and Speedy should have different fingerprints, because the fingerprint pattern is not coded in DNA. Think of the specific pattern like a scar or a mole: it's formed from interaction with the environment, and no two individuals will have the exact same experiences in such detail. This is why identical twins, with identical DNA, have different fingerprints.
 * Once again, however, this assumes a) real world science, and b) that someone actually MEMORIZED Roy's fingerprints. Given that Cadmus was able to get away with cloning and abducting Speedy, it's no great stretch that they were able to hack into various databases and CHANGE the records of Roy's fingerprints. If they got to Roy, they should know everything about Ollie, including where his records are kept.
 * So in the comics we learned that Atlantians were originally humans who learned to live underwater. But as time went on, they started to "develop" fish features, from mermaids to talking sharks... so how did that happen?
 * According to the tie-in comic it was magic and Atlantean technology
 * Why did the writers of the show have Sportsmaster drop the hint about the mole? So that the Team would actually have a connection to that storyline. Without that hint, the fact that Red Arrow was a sleeper agent programmed to take down the League would have had no bearing on what happened to the Team. We never actually saw the Light acquire any intel on the Team, nor was anyone on the Team involved with the Light. (And no, Red Arrow was not involved with the ambush the Light set at the plane wreck. It was an ambush. That's why the villains were expecting heroes to show up. Red Arrow didn't even know about this excursion.)
 * I thought of this after "Auld Acquaintance" and "Happy New Year":
 * Jossed, though the real explanation is actually worse.
 * I still think he might just turn out to be a double agent.
 * "Alienated" shows that not only has M'gann been growing more casual about inflicting Mind Rape, but she does it to a Krolotean prisoner that J'onn was psychically interrogating at the time. What really makes it creepy is that not only does she not get chewed out for this, but Conner seems to be the only one present who even notices. Is M'gann asserting a mental influence on those around her to hide her more unsavory moments?
 * They might be building up to it. Conner is clearly disturbed by it and J'onn realizes something happened. I'd have some faith that it's going to be addressed.
 * We've already established that thousands of children probably died in "misplaced" but the whole point of splitting the realms was just to steal that starro thing. The one Aqualad thwarted them from stealing in "Dowtime." Yeah, Aqualad's victory in Poseidonis helped lead to the events that caused thousands of deaths. Youch. Poor thing.
 * In “Salvage” we see Blue Beetle become very despondent after the death of the monster. It would be bad enough just thinking this was because he simply talked to it and realized it was a living being, but if you pay attention, at the moment of death Jaime was still connected to it.
 * The Scarab is willing to vaporize pretty much anything at the slightest provocation. Assuming that comic canon applies here, Jaime has a little sister.
 * In "Bloodlines", we learn that Bart travelled to the past to prevent his grandfather from dying. That day, Iris found out that she was pregnant and was planning on telling Barry the news later, in the night. It makes you sick to realise that if not for Bart, Barry would have died without knowing that he was going to become a dad. And poor Iris would be waiting at home, probably eagerly waiting to tell her news to a husband that would never come. Imagine her expression when she finds out her husband/the Flash is dead. Their poor kids would have to grow up without their father... ugh.