Thread:Forum:Trope Talk/Token Loli vs. Token Mini-Moe/reply (2)

Loli-related articles are a problem in general. On TV Tropes both loli and porn get lumped into Bad Stuff, but there's a case to be made that they should be treated differently and loli is actually bad for the wiki. There are works containing such material and we shouldn't ignore them, but on the other hand we don't want people who don't read carefully enough to think we're endorsing anything questionable (and we don't want to attract the crowd that likes that stuff either).

I think the ones least likely to cause problems are the ones which are widely discussed by people who aren't fans of the material. If it has literary fame, like Lolita, or if it is well enough known to be criticized by people who clearly aren't fans of it, like Lotte's Toy, we may be able to have an article that doesn't promote it. For some obscure series that nobody's ever heard of, it's a lot more likely that the article about the series is going to be written by a fan of the series, which is just asking for trouble.

The most sensible solution may just be to treat each one on a case by case basis and cut down anything which seems to gush over the loli elements. Also, remember that our rules on negativity are more relaxed than TV Tropes, so we can at least mention that some series has received scathing criticism for those elements.

As for Token Loli specifically, that's not directly about lolis. The "loli" amounts to a sarcastic suggestion that the character appeals to lolicons. Now, all underage characters probably do to some extent, but we should limit the trope to cases where that's at least a plausible criticism--the underage character should be a part of a group of female characters who are otherwise obviously meant to be love interests. Putting every child in existence on the page makes it sound like we're creeps who see all children in the wrong ways.

Anbd there's not much choice but to use the name. That is what it's called, after all.