Thread:Talk:Complete Monster/The Elder Scrolls/More Examples?

On one hand, I'm VERY happy that this page at least has more examples than the abysmally small Elder Scrolls Monster page on TV Tropes (Why Kurdan didn't count for them, I'll never guess). But still, I can't help but think that this page could use some more examples, and I'd rather not be gung ho about it and just add them without input.

I've thought about nominating a few from Skyrim, starting with the Thalmor. We haven't seen the actual Aldmeri Dominion or any actual politicians from that government, but I think the Thalmor could easily qualify. They're essentially the Elven Gestapo, and the effects of their evil are shown explicitly in the game. They were the ones who caused Ulfric to think that it was his fault that the Empire didn't win the war, they take away Nords to be tortured to death over worshipping a god, and they wish to unmake the fabric of the universe simply because a human became a god (Talos) and they don't like that, which is incredibly petty. And they have done more than that, as they forcibly subjugated the country of Valenwood as well as tricked the Khajiit of Elsweyr into becoming a part of their empire. Plus, they certainly fit the heinous criteria given that EVERYBODY, even the Imperials loathe them. If this site also has a "No groups" policy, then could Elenwen and Ancano be added at least? Elenwen is the one who broke Ulfric and planted the seeds for the Stormcloak rebellion and is noted to be an incredibly nasty torture technician in a dossier in the Thalmor Embassy, and Ancano basically kick-starts the Thalmor plan to unravel the fabric of the universe itself, and causes all sorts of chaos in Winterhold during the College's story arc.

I also think another example would be Sild the Warlock, a Nord sorcerer who lives in an old crypt. The guy lures people into his lair with the promises of treasure, but really has a trap set up that drops people straight into his room where he proceeds to torture them to death. He also forcibly subjugates the spirits of the people he kills and uses them to patrol his lair, and the spirits are clearly in torment over this, as they apologize to you when they attack. And given that his journal talks about how he wishes to keep his prisoners alive so he can torture them longer and even explicitly states how good it feels to kill someone.

Along with Sild, there's another evil mage who I think qualifies, and that is Arondil (I think that's his name), who is a necromancer who murders women and uses their ghosts as sex slaves, basically a necrophiliac rapist.

Then there's Mercer Frey of the Thieves' Guild, who is pretty much a backstabbing asshole. The guy betrayed his goddess Nocturnal and stole her artifact (An incredibly powerful lockpick), murdered a close friend of his while pinning the blame on the dead friend's lover, and had her hunted down for years on end. He uses the lockpick he stole to steal all the treasure and money the guild has accumulated, and then plans to ditch them and leave them broke, and his guildmates are appropriately disgusted with him when they discover his treachery.

I also think that Thonar Silverblood qualifies as well. The guy is a sleaze who is essentially the medieval equivalent to a CEO, and he runs a prison where he uses prisoners (Who a majority you meet are shown to be political enemies to him and his fellow Nords, a lot of them are also shown to be decent people, though they now support the terroristic Forsworn because of this) as slave labor to acquire a ton of silver. What really makes him qualify in my eyes though is the fact that he is actually using the Forsworn, who have caused all sorts of chaos through the Reach to purposefully murder anyone who competes with him and his business which is shown perfectly by the character Eltrys, whose father was murdered because of his business potentially being a competitor to Thonar's.

Then, there are the Dragon Priests Rahgot and Hevnoraak, Rahgot being a coward who forced his followers to commit mass suicide in order to dissuade an approaching military force from searching his lair, where he planned to be hidden safe and sound among his dead followers, which included children. And when one of his followers questioned him for this, he violently murdered her, which really showed how horrible he is to even his own followers. Then Hevnoraak was known for being able to control people with his voice alone, and would gleefully torture all the followers he amassed knowing that they couldn't fight back.

My final nominee is Potema Septim, also known as the Wolf Queen. She was an insane queen who was known in-universe as one the few fully-evil historical figures of her time, and she indulged in things such as turning her own nephew insane with a cursed necklace just to spite his dad, leading a brutal assault on neighboring kingdoms, and indulging in all sorts of horrifying things like necromancy. Hell, in Dawnguard, you meet a servant of hers in the Soul Cairn (A place where people who have had their souls placed in a black soul gem are sent after their soul is freed from the gem, they spend an eternity in constant agonizing pain) who was sent there just because of a mistake she made while creating a dress of hers. And if there's any doubt left, a famous quote of hers blatantly says that she'd happily trade the souls of every person in her kingdom for a bit of comfort. And given how she's been resurrected by necromancers, and the two Dragon Priests I mentioned are still alive and kicking (Sort of, they are undead), they're still relevant threats in the game.

Sorry about the length of this post, I just think that being Darker and Edgier, Skyrim has more than a few monsters that belong on the page.